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I can surily say that JESUS is GOD.
WHY? His might over the LIVING and the DEAD.
He IS right NOW on this EARTH by HIS SPIRIT to SAVE who BELIEVES in HIS WORD. This referred to the soul of spirit of a human being. The human soul and spirit is very unclean an evil and bound by the devil because of this. It doesnt matter if you are a christian or a Muslim or a Jew or a nonbeliever.
Jesus came to unbound us of the devil and bring us back to GOD if we believe in His Word. ONLY JESUS has THE POWER over the DEVIL. Thats why HE said that we who believe have to use HIS POWER against the Devil if he attacks our soul and spirit. Because he doenst want the body but to own someones soul and then distroy it. Jesus warned all menkind to be very causious about this. Like in the beginning he misled ADAM and EVE.
Than later all those one who listened to his words. Like today the devil is very angry about the BIBLE. He want to confuse the christians by saying that what is written in the Bibel is not true. So these christians who listenend to this will then unknowingly led into the net of the evil things. The Bible is the testament of GOD. In the BIBLE God said HOW we can MAKE it UP with HIM. And this is through JESUS. NOT BY GOOD DEEDS.
Because all of us committed sins against the HOLYNESS of GOD. We are all BAD.
So if anyone wants peace with GOD than he/she have to read how to GET peace with GOD and with there fellowhumen. Because all this war in this world is led by the devil against those who are innocent. He use people to do his dirty work. He doenst fight honoustly but by lies and desceptions and confussions he get people in his control.
Because these people, who cant descern right from wrong, nor descern who is controlled by the devil or who isnt controlled by the devil and also cannot understand whats the truth, are unknowingly used by the devil to do his will.
A NORMAL people doesnt hate other people just like that and then murdered innocent people.
It doesnt matter what the reason is of our action but WE are RESPONBILE for OUR OWN ACTIONS OR WORDS towards GOD AND PEOPLES> We have the responbility to search for the THRUTH about ourselves and about WHO IS GOD>
Because when you die, you then will have to appear before GOD to give ANSWER to all what you SAID OR DID. And than HE WILL JUDGE. But who belongs to JESUS are under the protection of the CROSS. In the BIBLE is written that the sins are alreay paid by JESUS. So how can we STAND towards GOD in de the PRESENT DAY AND JUDGEMENT DAY?. JESUS WILL DO THIS FOR US.
THATS WHY there is a difference between the followers of JESUS and all the worlds RELIGIONS. We as followers of JESUS have eternal life and acces to the paradise. JESUS has the KEY of the Paradise. One can read that in Book of JOHN.
I hope people will understand WHO is JESUS very soon before its to late. After death there is no escape more. NOW is the TIME to SEARCH for the THRUTH. And this is ONLY written in the BIBLE.
God gave each of us reasoning and logic. From that we deduce our conclusions. If He willed, He would have made us all submitters to Him, like the angels.
People just can’t keep it in them for long that jesus is god and they become atheists. That is why today the number of atheist in america are growing, because your invention does not make sense. The atheist have material to beat on people who believe in god because you have given it to them, believe that just does not make sense, bible that is altered and full of contradictions. Shame on you. A healthy mind just can’t digest that.
jesus pbuh is only a man, a prophet of God, mary pbuh is the best of women, and Jibrael pbuh is the highest of angels but still an angel. Peace be upon them all and from what the unbelievers have associated them with.
To you is your way to us is ours. We won’t believe what you believe and you will not believe what we believe. To you is your way and to us is ours.
hey … wake up …. just take some time, take a look at yourself in front of mirror, and ask yourself : ” are you really Jesus followers or you make yourself Pope’s and his teaching followers?” … once you declare yourself a Jesus followers – you will be aware of what Jesus said ” (a) “Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying Eli, Eli, lama sabachtani? . . .” (Matthew 27:46)
(b) “And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord:” (Mark 12:29)
(c) “And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God.” (Mark 10:18).
Those statements should be more than enough to ensure you that what you are doing rite now is CONTRADICTIVE to what Jesus taught in your Bible …
The New Testament was written mostly by Paul who was not one who sat with Jesus himself. Before being a “Christian”, Paul was a Jew who murdered true Christians (followers of Christ’s true words). Paul was on the road traveling from Jerusalem to Damacus and the ressurected Jesus appeared to him in great light. He was struck blind but after three days could see and then started preaching that Jesus was the Son of God.
Meanwhile, there were no eye witnesses to this. Paul did not sit with Jesus as one of the disciples. In fact, he murdered the disciples. Barnabas on the other hand did sit with Jesus and continued to preach the truth and was later killed for this along with every other Christian who did not believe Jesus was God.
Paul’s theory (Greek based) of the trinity was then forced upon the Christian communities with the support of the Romans.
God’s Word and message to mankind has always been to worship Him, our Creator. He is ONE God the Jesus and all the other prophets called upon.
Jesus is the Messiah and is one of the beloved prophets of Islam. Worshipping him as God would go against everything our Creator has told us to do.
God is the MOST Forgiving and Merciful. He in no way needed (bc he is NOT in need of anything) to kill one innocent human being for the sins of the rest. We are accountable for our sins but have to know, just has God himself has said, the his Rahma (Mercy) is what will save us.
Please study the history of your book and seek truth and proof.
Peace
Based on lecture, it is clear that Jesus is NOT a god but a messenger of God. I would love to see a SINGLE quote from 66 different versions of Bibles, where Jesus said expelicitly that he is the God and told people to worship him.
Hallo Adil,
You asked what the bases is to worship Jesus. There are many times written in the BIBLE about Who Jesus is. He HIMSELF said that HE will COME BACK so that EVERYBODY can see HIS MIGHT. This is written in REVALATION. The last book of the BIBLE. In this last book there is a lot of warning what will happen in the future. When someone have an encounter with Jesus than automatically you worship HIM. This is the effect.
Matthew 28: 7,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,20
7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you. 8 And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word. 9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him. 10 Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.
11 Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the city, and showed unto the chief priests all the things that were done. 12 And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers, 13 Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept. 14 And if this come to the governor’s ears, we will persuade him, and secure you. 15 So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.
16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17 And when they saw him, they Worshipped HIM: but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and spoke unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit: teach…: or, make disciples, or, Christians of all nations
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Now HE is INVISIBLE to the EYE of the world but not to HIS FOLLOWERS. They recognised Jesus through what He does for them. He HIMSELF said that we have to PRAY and be baptisted in HIS name. And He will do it if we do so. Invisibly He does His work among people who believes. Read verse 20.
James 1: 1……………………..18
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
comprehended: or, did not admit, or, receive
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
power: or, the right, or, privilege
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
So it is to much to write it down here. Everything about Jesus is written in the NEW TESTAMENT of THE BIBLE.
All that HE did when HE was here VISIBLY. All what HE is doing NOW and will do in the FUTURE BY HIS SPIRIT. So that means invisible to the world but he reveals HIMSELF to HIS believers. And i can testify also of this. Because of The revelation I had from HIM.
Please read the New Testament for your own sake. To Have knowledge of the bible is very responble thing. Because you have to answer to HIM over what you will be reading. So think twice by doing this. Knowledge gives people power but at the same makes you responsible of that knowledge.
Delphina
The New Testament is not in any way a proof of any kind. It was written by men who never sat with Jesus. These men “edited” what they wanted and followed the theory of Paul. Do your research and seek proof.
Peace
*PROOF JESUS (Peace Be Upon Him) IS NOT GOD FROM BIBLE & QURAN:*
“PROOF FROM BIBLE”:
*“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.”*
(John 5:30)
*Also Jesus said, “…for my Father is greater than I.”*
(John 14:28)
If Jesus and God were the same then he would not have said what he said in the above verses.
Jesus( PBUH ) Conversation with Allah Almighty on the judgment day:
*And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?”*
He will answer, *“Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say?*
*If I had said such a thing, you would have certainly known it.*
*You know what is ˹hidden˺ within me, but I do not know what is within You.* *Indeed, You ˹alone˺ are the Knower of all unseen.*
I never told them anything except what You ordered me to say:
*“Worship Allah—my Lord and your Lord!” And I was witness over them as long as I remained among them. But when You took me, You were the Witness over them—and You are a Witness over all things.*
*If You punish them, they belong to You after all. But if You forgive them, You are surely the Almighty, All-Wise.*
*Allah will declare, “This is the Day when ˹only˺ the faithful will benefit from their faithfulness.*
*Theirs are Gardens under which rivers flow, to stay there for ever and ever. Allah is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him. That is the ultimate triumph.*
*To Allah ˹alone˺ belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and everything within. And He is Most Capable of everything.*
Quran Al-Ma’idah Chep 5 Verse (116-120)
To Delphina,
Could you explain to me with all your knowledge, why would
God have to be born of a woman, grow as a child, make mistakes as a teenager and then as an adult go through trials as we do to this very day and be tortured by his own people. Also Jesus(pbuh) called out to Allah(swt) in many different verses in your own bible and also fell own his
face to pray to Allah(swt). So if he was god as you claim
he would have been talking to himself and praying to himself.
Just to let you know what you are reading in Matthew was the teachings of Paul, who was before having his vision,
a jew. The same people that tortured and killed Jesus(pbuh).
Paul is the one who brought cristianity, not Jesus(pbuh).
Matthew never saw Jesus(pbuh) are walked with him. Jesus(pbuh) came to the hebrew people to reafirm the message brought by Moses(pbuh) to the hebrew people, that there is only ONE GOD(swt) and they should only worship GOD(swt). Moses(pbuh) did not bring judiasm, this was the name of one of the tribal elders.
Hallo Sabra,
I think you also read somewhere how ADAM and EVE were made.
They were not BORN, but GOD formed their BODIES from earthly substances.
Later he blew his LIFE in them. Than they became ALIVE.
If you can comprehend this, than you will know that whatever GOD wants to happen, will happens for SURE.
The same thing happen to Mary. The child that was in here womb was NOT conceive of any MEN but was conceived by the HOLY SPIRIT of GOD> Can you accept this.!!!!!!!!!
Sometimes Angels of God can transform themselves in many Forms. They got this ability of God, because they have to protect people from many dangers.
The Fallen Angels lost this ability, they only can go inside the human BODY by force or by posession. They are now without a BODY. The fallen Angels are also called: Demons of the Devil.
The question of JESUS is GOD is already written in the BIBLE.
One must realise that in the past many people tries to give their OWN EXPLANATION of what is written in the BIBLE.
That is a huge mistake of them.
Because there is also written in the Bible what WILL HAPPEN if some one ADD or REMOVE something to the BIBLE!!!!!!!!
You can read this in the book of Revelation, chapter 22 verse 18,19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth(read) the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall ADD unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall Take Away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
So we only have to read it and than ask GOD to open our mind to understand HIS WORDS. There is no Other way. Because God has already instructed the prophets and disciples of Jesus to WRITE exactly what God had instructed them.
So when some one is reading the Bible is actually reading what GOD had said to ALL PEOPLE.
So if you wanna know what God had said, than you will have to read the Bible. I assume that you already read the Koran.
Well if you are really interested to FIND GOD or prepare yourself how to confront GOD in the DAY of Judgement, than you have to read the Bible.
Remember that GOD is the JUDGE of ALL MANKIND. So dont doubt the Bible but embrace this wonderfull letter of God to All of us.
By nature we are all Bad and Evil. Its very difficult to become GOOD and HOLY like GOD, thats why we need His power to achieve this. Therefore we need to Find God and ask His guidence through our journey on this earth.
Sabra, I dont know what goals you have by all you wrote.
I wish you good luck in your exploration of the thruth.
P.S.
Everything that is written in the Bible is not the teachings of a person but just what God had said to write down. Otherwise no one would have read it and it would have no value at all. Nor will it have any authority if it was merely teachings of a person.
101 Clear
Contradictions in the Bible
by : Shabir Ally
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Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?
(a) God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
(b) Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)
In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?
(a) Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
(b) One million, one hundred thousand (IChronicles 21:5)
How many fighting men were found in Judah?
(a) Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
(b) Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
(a) Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
(b) Three (I Chronicles 21:12)
How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
(a) Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
(b) Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)
How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?
(a) Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)
(b) Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)
How long did he rule over Jerusalem?
(a) Three months (2 Kings 24:8)
(b) Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)
The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?
(a) Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8)
(b) Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)
When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?
(a) After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
(b) Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)
How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?
(a) Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
(b) Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)
When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?
(a) One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)
(b) Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)
How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?
(a) Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)
(b) Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)
In what year of King Asa’s reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?
(a) Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 – 16:8)
(b) Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)
How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?
(a) Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)
(b) Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)
Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?
(a) Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)
(b) Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)
Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab?
(a) Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6)
(b) Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11)
How many were the children of Zattu?
(a) Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:8)
(b) Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13)
How many were the children of Azgad?
(a) One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12)
(b) Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17)
How many were the children of Adin?
(a) Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15)
(b) Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20)
How many were the children of Hashum?
(a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19)
(b) Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22)
How many were the children of Bethel and Ai?
(a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:28)
(b) One hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32)
Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows:
(a) 29,818 (Ezra)
(b) 31,089 (Nehemiah)
How many singers accompanied the assembly?
(a) Two hundred (Ezra 2:65)
(b) Two hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67)
What was the name of King Abijah’s mother?
(a) Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)
(b) Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)
Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?
(a) Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)
(b) No (Joshua 15:63)
Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?
(a) Jacob (Matthew 1:16)
(b) Hell (Luke 3:23)
Jesus descended from which son of David?
(a) Solomon (Matthew 1:6)
(b) Nathan(Luke3:31)
Who was the father of Shealtiel?
(a) Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)
(b) Neri’ (Luke 3:27)
Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?
(a) Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)
(b) Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.
Who was the father of Uzziah?
(a) Joram (Matthew 1:8)
(b) Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1)
Who as the father of Jechoniah?
(a) Josiah (Matthew 1:11)
(b) Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16)
How many generations were there from the Babylonian exile until Christ?
(a) Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17)
(b) But a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16)
Who was the father of Shelah?
(a) Cainan (Luke 3:35-36)
(b) Arphaxad (Genesis II: 12)
Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?
(a) Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13)
(b) No(John 1:19-21)
Would Jesus inherit David’s throne?
(a) Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32)
(b) No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon David’s throne (Jeremiah 36:30)
Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals?
(a) One – a colt (Mark 11:7; cf Luke 19:3 5). “And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments on it; and he sat upon it.â€
(b) Two – a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7). “They brought the ass and the colt and put their garments on them and he sat thereon.â€
How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ?
(a) By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17)
(b) His brother Andrew told him (John 1:41)
Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?
(a) By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22)
(b) On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43)
When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus’ daughter already dead?
(a) Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, “My daughter has just died.â€
(b) No. Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, “My little daughter is at the point of death.â€
Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey?
(a) Yes(Mark6:8)
(b) No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3)
Did Herod think that Jesus was John the Baptist?
(a) Yes (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16)
(b) No (Luke 9:9)
Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus before his baptism?
(a) Yes (Matthew 3:13-14)
(b) No (John 1:32,33)
Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus after his baptism?
(a) Yes (John 1:32, 33)
(b) No (Matthew 11:2)
According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about bearing his own witness?
(a) “If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true†(John 5:3 1)
(b) “Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true†(John 8:14)
When Jesus entered Jerusalem did he cleanse the temple that same day?
(a) Yes (Matthew 21:12)
(b) No. He went into the temple and looked around, but since it was very late he did nothing. Instead, he went to Bethany to spend the night and returned the next morning to cleanse the temple (Mark I 1:1- 17).
The Gospels say that Jesus cursed a fig tree. Did the tree wither at once?
(a) Yes. (Matthew 21:19)
(b) No. It withered overnight (Mark II: 20)
Did Judas kiss Jesus?
(a) Yes (Matthew 26:48-50)
(b) No. Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12)
What did Jesus say about Peter’s denial?
(a) “The cock will not crow till you have denied me three times†(John 13:38).
(b) “Before the cock crows twice you will deny me three times†(Mark 14:30) . When the cock crowed once, the three denials were not yet complete (see Mark 14:72). Therefore prediction (a) failed.
Did Jesus bear his own cross?
(a) Yes (John 19:17)
(b) No (Matthew 27:31-32)
Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn?
(a) Yes(Matthew27:50-5 1;MarklS:37-38)
(b) No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!†And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46)
Did Jesus say anything secretly?
(a) No. “I have said nothing secretly†(John 18:20)
(b) Yes. “He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained everything†(Mark 4:34). The disciples asked him “Why do you speak to them in parables?†He said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given†(Matthew 13: 1 0-11)
Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?
(a) On the cross (Mark 15:23)
(b) In Pilate’s court (John 19:14)
The gospels say that two thieves were crucified along with Jesus. Did both thieves mock Jesus?
(a) Yes (Mark 15:32)
(b) No. One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43)
Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the crucifixion?
(a) Yes. He said to the thief who defended him, “Today you will be with me in Paradise†(Luke 23:43)
(b) No. He said to Mary Magdelene two days later, “I have not yet ascended to the Father†(John 20:17)
When Paul was on the road to Damascus he saw a light and heard a voice. Did those who were with him hear the voice?
(a) Yes(Acts9:7)
(b) No(Acts22:9)
When Paul saw the light he fell to the ground. Did his traveling companions also fall to the ground?
(a) Yes (Acts 26:14)
(b) No (Acts 9:7)
Did the voice spell out on the spot what Paul’s duties were to be?
(a) Yes (Acts 26:16-18)
(b) No. The voice commanded Paul to go into the city of Damascus and there he will be told what he must do. (Acts9:7;22: 10)
When the Israelites dwelt in Shittin they committed adultery with the daughters of Moab. God struck them with a plague. How many people died in that plague?
(a) Twenty-four thousand (Numbers 25:1 and 9)
(b) Twenty-three thousand (I Corinthians 10:8)
How many members of the house of Jacob came to Egypt?
(a) Seventy souls (Genesis 4&27)
(b) Seventy-five souls (Acts 7:14)
What did Judas do with the blood money he received for betraying Jesus?
(a) He bought a field (Acts 1: 18)
(b) He threw all of it into the temple and went away. The priests could not put the blood money into the temple treasury, so they used it to buy a field to bury strangers (Matthew 27:5)
How did Judas die?
(a) After he threw the money into the temple he went away and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5)
(b) After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed he fell headlong and burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:18)
Why is the field called “Field of Blood�
(a) Because the priests bought it with the blood money (Matthew 27:8)
(b) Because of the bloody death of Judas therein (Acts 1:19)
Who is a ransom for whom?
(a) “The Son of Man came…to give his life as a ransom for many†(Mark 10:45). “Christ Jesus who gave himself as a ransom for all… “(I Timothy 2:5-6)
(b) “The wicked is a ransom for the righteous, and the faithless for the upright†(Proverbs 21:18)
Is the law of Moses useful?
(a) Yes. “All scripture is… profitable…†(2 Timothy 3:16)
(b) No. “. . . A former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness… “(Hebrews 7:18)
What was the exact wording on the cross?
(a) “This is Jesus the King of the Jews†(Matthew 27:37)
(b) “The King of the Jews†(Mark 15:26)
(c) “This is the King of the Jews†(Luke 23:38)
(d) “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews†(John 19:19)
Did Herod want to kill John the Baptist?
(a) Yes (Matthew 14:5)
(b) No. It was Herodias, the wife of Herod who wanted to kill him. But Herod knew that he was a righteous man and kept him safe (Mark 6:20)
Who was the tenth disciple of Jesus in the list of twelve?
(a) Thaddaeus (Matthew 10: 1-4; Mark 3:13 -19)
(b) Judas son of James is the corresponding name in Luke’s gospel (Luke 6:12-16)
Jesus saw a man sitat the tax collector’s office and called him to be his disciple. What was his name?
(a) Matthew (Matthew 9:9)
(b) Levi (Mark 2:14; Luke 5:27)
Was Jesus crucified on the daytime before the Passover meal or the daytime after?
(a) After (Mark 14:12-17)
(b) Before. Before the feast of the Passover (John 1) Judas went out at night (John 13:30). The other disciples thought he was going out to buy supplies to prepare for the Passover meal (John 13:29). When Jesus was arrested, the Jews did not enter Pilate’s judgment hail because they wanted to stay clean to eat the Passover (John 18:28). When the judgment was pronounced against Jesus, it was about the sixth hour on the day of Preparation for the Passover (John 19:14)
Did Jesus pray to The Father to prevent the crucifixion?
(a) Yes. (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42)
(b) No. (John 12:27)
In the gospels which say that Jesus prayed to avoid the cross, how many times did ‘he move away from his disciples to pray?
(a) Three (Matthew 26:36-46 and Mark 14:32-42)
(b) One. No opening is left for another two times. (Luke 22:39-46)
Matthew and Mark agree that Jesus went away and prayed three times. What were the words of the second prayer?
(a) Mark does not give the words but he says that the words were the same as the first prayer (Mark 14:3 9)
(b) Matthew gives us the words, and we can see that they are not the same as in the first (Matthew 26:42)
What did the centurion say when Jesus dies?
(a) “Certainly this man was innocent†(Luke 23:47)
(b) “Truly this man was the Son of God†(Mark 15:39)
When Jesus said “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken Me ? †in what language did he speak?
(a) Hebrew: the words are “Eloi, Eloi …..“(Matthew 27:46)
(b) Aramaic: the words are “Eloi, Eloi ….. “(Mark 15:34)
According to the gospels, what were the last words of Jesus before he died?
(a) “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!†(Luke 23:46)
(b) “It is finished” (John 19:30).
When Jesus entered Capernaum he healed the slave of a centurion. Did the centurion come personally to request Jesus for this?
(a) Yes (Matthew 8:5)
(b) No. He sent some elders of the Jews and his friends (Luke 7:3,6)
(a) Adam was told that if and when he eats the forbidden fruit he would die the same day (Genesis 2:17)
(b) Adam ate the fruit and went on to live to a ripe old age of 930 years (Genesis 5:5)
(a) God decided that the life-span of humans will be limited to 120 years (Genesis 6:3)
(b) Many people born after that lived longer than 120. Arpachshad lived 438 years. His son Shelah lived 433 years. His son Eber lived 464 years, etc. (Genesis 11:12-16)
Apart from Jesus did anyone else ascend to heaven?
(a) No (John 3:13)
(b) Yes. “And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven†(2 Kings 2:11)
Who was high priest when David went into the house of God and ate the consecrated bread?
(a) Abiathar (Mark 2:26)
(b) Ahimelech, the father of Abiathar (I Samuel 1:1; 22:20)
Was Jesus’ body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs?
(a) Yes and his female disciples witnessed his burial (John 19:39-40)
(b) No. Jesus was simply wrapped in a linen shroud. Then the women bought and prepared spices “so that they may go and anoint him [Jesus)†(Mark 16: 1)
When did the women buy the spices?
(a) After “the Sabbath was past†(Mark 16:1)
(b) Before the Sabbath. The women “prepared spices and ointments.†Then, “on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment†(Luke 23:55 to 24:1)
At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?
(a) “Toward the dawn†(Matthew 28: 1)
(b) “When the sun had risen†(Mark 16:2)
What was the purpose for which the women went to the tomb?
(a) To anoint Jesus’ body with spices (Mark 16: 1; Luke 23:55 to 24: 1)
(b) To see the tomb. Nothing about spices here (Matthew 28: 1)
(c) For no specified reason. In this gospel the wrapping with spices had been done before the Sabbath (John 20: 1)
A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. Where was the stone when the women arrived?
(a) They saw that the stone was “Rolled back†(Mark 16:4) They found the stone “rolled away from the tomb†(Luke 24:2) They saw that “the stone had been taken away from the tomb†(John 20:1)
(b) As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6)
Did anyone tell the women what happened to Jesus’ body?
(a) Yes. “A young man in a white robe†(Mark 16:5). “Two men … in dazzling apparel†later described as angels (Luke 24:4 and 24:23). An angel – the one who rolled back the stone (Matthew 16:2). In each case the women were told that Jesus had risen from the dead (Matthew 28:7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:5 footnote)
(b) No. Mary met no one and returned saying, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him†(John 20:2)
When did Mary Magdelene first meet the resurrected Jesus? And how did she react?
(a) Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb. They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9)
(b) On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus’ body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him and called him “Teacher.†Jesus said to her, “Do not hold me…†(John 20:11 to 17)
What was Jesus’ instruction for his disciples?
(a) “Tell my brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see me†(Matthew 2 8: 10)
(b) “Go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God†(John 20:17)
When did the disciples return to Galilee?
(a) Immediately, because when they saw Jesus in Galilee “some doubted†(Matthew 28:17). This period of uncertainty should not persist
(b) After at least 40 days. That evening the disciples were still in Jerusalem (Luke 24:3 3). Jesus appeared to them there and told them, stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high†(Luke 24:49). He was appearing to them “during forty days†(Acts 1:3), and “charged them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise … “(Acts 1:4)
To whom did the Midianites sell Joseph?
(a) “To the Ishmaelites†(Genesis 37:28)
(b) “To Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh†(Genesis 37:36)
Who brought Joseph to Egypt?
(a) The Ishmaelites bought Joseph and then “took Joseph to Egypt†(Genesis 37:28)
(b) “The Midianites had sold him in Egypt†(Genesis 37:36)
(c) Joseph said to his brothers “I am your brother, Joseph, whom you sold into Egypt†(Genesis 45:4)
Does God change his mind?
(a) Yes. “The word of the Lord came to Samuel: “I repent that I have made Saul King…†(I Samuel 15:10 to 11)
(b) No. God “will not lie or repent; for he is not a man, that he should repent†(I Samuel 15:29)
(c) Yes. “And the Lord repented that he had made Saul King over Israel†(I Samuel 15:35). Notice that the above three quotes are all from the same chapter of the same book! In addition, the Bible shows that God repented on several other occasions:
i. “The Lord was sorry that he made man†(Genesis 6:6)
“I am sorry that I have made them†(Genesis 6:7)
ii. “And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do to his people†(Exodus 32:14).
iii. (Lots of other such references).
The Bible says that for each miracle Moses and Aaron demonstrated the magicians did the same by their secret arts. Then comes the following feat:
(a) Moses and Aaron converted all the available water into blood (Exodus 7:20-21)
(b) The magicians did the same (Exodus 7:22). This is impossible, since there would have been no water left to convert into blood.
Who killed Goliath?
(a) David (I Samuel 17:23, 50)
(b) Elhanan (2 Samuel 21:19)
Who killed Saul?
(a) “Saul took his own sword and fell upon it…. Thus Saul died… (I Samuel 31:4-6)
(b) An Amalekite slew him (2 Samuel 1:1- 16)
Does every man sin?
(a) Yes. “There is no man who does not sin†(I Kings 8:46; see also 2 Chronicles 6:36; Proverbs 20:9; Ecclesiastes 7:20; and I John 1:810)
(b) No. True Christians cannot possibly sin, because they are the children of God. “Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God.. (I John 5:1). “We should be called children of God; and so we are†(I John 3: 1). “He who loves is born of God†(I John 4:7). “No one born of God commits sin; for God’s nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God†(I John 3:9). But, then again, Yes! “If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us†(I John 1:8)
Who will bear whose burden?
(a) “Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ†(Galatians 6:2)
(b) “Each man will have to bear his own load†(Galatians 6:5)
How many disciples did Jesus appear to after his resurrection?
(a) Twelve (I Corinthians 15:5)
(b) Eleven (Matthew 27:3-5 and Acts 1:9-26, see also Matthew 28:16; Mark 16:14 footnote; Luke 24:9; Luke 24:3 3)
Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?
(a) After his baptism, “the spirit immediately drove him out into the wilderness. And he was in the wilderness forty days … (Mark 1:12-13)
(b) Next day after the baptism, Jesus selected two disciples. Second day: Jesus went to Galilee – two more disciples. Third day: Jesus was at a wedding feast in Cana in Galilee (see John 1:35; 1:43; 2:1-11)
Was baby Jesus’ life threatened in Jerusalem?
(a) Yes, so Joseph fled with him to Egypt and stayed there until Herod died (Matthew 2:13 23)
(b) No. The family fled nowhere. They calmly presented the child at the Jerusalem temple according to the Jewish customs and returned to Galilee (Luke 2:21-40)
When Jesus walked on water how did the disciples respond?
(a) They worshipped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God†(Matthew 14:33)
(b) “They were utterly astounded, for they did not understand about the loaves, but their hearts were hardened†(Mark 6:51-52)
Lastly for those who know the truth yet reject:
2:7 Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).
Thank you
Hallo Anonyous
Whats your point with all you wrote,
The topic is; if Jesus is God or not.
So whats the meaning of your reply?
Be clear about your intentions or be frank with your self.
Jesus said that HE is the TRUTH, the WAY and LIFE.
We ALL have the choice to be FOR JESUS or be AGAINST HIM.
So be aware of anything else.
I think you have to concince yourself about what you wrote.
No one can change what is written in the BIBLE.
No one has yet claimed, that God gave them the permission, to do so. Many people said about the Bible the same thing. But didnt know why. Thats why EVERYBODY have their OWN BOOK. Because they cannot change whats written in the BIBLE>
Lets not make a GREAT DISCUSSION of this thing.
You can accept what is written in the BIBLE or not. SO thats your responbility. You only have to answer for yourself after death. No one can be responbile for your words or actions.
So i believe in Jesus, because i believe in God. When we pray to GOD, we have the instruction to pray in the NAME of JESUS. No other name. Because Jesus said so. I can only do what Jesus said to do. I cannot pray in the name of moses or any onther prophet.
Because no prophet said that we have to pray in their name.
Can you understand this, Anonymous”?
If not than we have nothing to discuss about
Good luck for the search of the truth
Bye
Delphina
Hello,
Hello,
My point is that the root of your false belief that Jesus is the son of god is derived from the bible, which we believe is a book sent down from god. However, it has been changed by men year after year until today to prove their agenda, and there are so many contradictions in the present bible that you cannot accept what is in it, so you cannot accept that jesus is the son of god.
Delphina
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Mark 12:29 Jesus said “Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord.” The words “our God” indicate that Jesus had a higher God over him, a stronger God than him. Jesus didn’t say “Your God”. He said “our God” which includes Jesus as the creation of GOD.
If Jesus was GOD, then why did he ask for God’s Forgiveness in Luke 23:34? Please visit How can Jesus be GOD Almighty when he asked for God’s Forgiveness?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 20:17 Jesus said I ascend to my God and your God? This tells us that we and Jesus have a common GOD.
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 8:28 Jesus said “I do nothing of myself”? Can’t GOD do anything he wills?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 14:28 Jesus said “My Father (GOD) is greater than I”?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Luke 23:46 Jesus said “Father (GOD), into thy hands I commend my spirit”?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Mark 10:18 Jesus said “And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.�
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus begged his GOD to have mercy on him and to pass the cup to death (kill Jesus in another words) before Jesus goes through the pain of crucifixion? Also see: Jesus’ crucifixion in Islam
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 18:38 he didn’t reply when he was asked about the truth?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 24:36 Jesus told his followers that no one (including Jesus) knows when the judgment day will come, only GOD knows?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Isaiah 11:2-3 GOD had put the spirit of fearing GOD in Jesus? Also see God’s Spirit in the many others beside Jesus.
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:31 Jesus told his followers that if he (Jesus) bears witness of himself, then his record is not true?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:30 Jesus told his followers that he can’t do a single thing of his own initiative?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:36-38 Jesus said that GOD had assigned him (Jesus) work and GOD is a witness on Jesus?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:32 Jesus told his followers that they have never seen GOD at anytime nor ever heard his voice?
If Jesus was GOD, then why did he pray to his GOD in Luke 5:16? Does God pray to Himself?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus fell on his face and prayed to his GOD? Again, does God pray to Himself?
If Jesus was GOD, then how come in Hebrew 5:7 he prayed and cried for GOD to hear him and give him mercy by saving him from death?
If Jesus was GOD, then how come in John 1:18 he said “No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the FATHER’S side, has made HIM known.” Where do you see Trinity in this Verse?
If Jesus was GOD, then how come in John 5:37 he said “And the FATHER who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard HIS voice nor seen HIS form,” Jesus and the GOD are different. People heard Jesus, but never heard GOD.
Most of all, if Jesus was GOD, then how can he tempted by the devil and even incline towards the devil, does not GOD have power over all things!!! Look at Matthew 4:1
Koranic verses eliminates all this confusion and tells us to say to the Christians
“’The Messiah, son of Mary, was none other than a messenger, messengers the like of whom had passed away before him . . . O people of the Book – stress not in your religion other than the truth, and follow not the vain desires of a people who went astray before you.†(Chapter 5 “The Table Spread†verse 75)
“God is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. How could He have a son when He does not have a companion and he created all things? And he hath knowledge of all thingsâ€(Chapter 6 ‘The Cattle’ Verse 101)â€
“The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be”. And he was. The Truth (comes) from Allah alone; so be not of those who doubt.†(Chapter 3 ‘The family of Imran’ Verse 59-60)â€
A CONCISE REPLY TO CHRISTIANITY
If this booklet were written to announce my conversion to Christianity, no Christian would complain that it is too blunt. So if I must reject an aspect of Christianity in a succinct form, let me not be accused of bluntness either. A Muslim believes in the religion of Jesus but sees mainline Christianity as a religion constructed about Jesus. Our protest is against two excesses: The apotheosis of Jesus and the most frequent missionary tactic directed toward Muslims.
Part One
Christians and Muslims who learn something of one another’s religion find that a crucial issue is the nature of Jesus. The majority of Christians deify Jesus while Muslims say that he was no more than a prophet of God, a faultless human being. The doctrine of the Trinity avows that three distinct co-equals are God. In particular, Jesus is said to be God the Son, or the Son of God. As the Muslim questions details of this theology, the Christian characteristically forms a common explanation for our differences: He complains that Muslims do not understand the Trinity; that we are actually accusing Christians of Tritheism and other heresies.
So the Muslim seeks clarification of the teaching and asks at every step: “How could that be so?” For example, we insist that the term “Son of God” cannot have a literal interpretation. Sonship and divine nature would be necessary attributes of such an actuality, but these are incompatible. The first describes a recipient of life while the second describes One who received life from no one. These are mutually exclusive requirements then. To be a son is to be less than divine, and to be divine is to be no one’s son.
As a discussion proceeds, it is the Christian who will eventually take refuge in the response: “These are things that we cannot understand.” His assessment of the Muslim’s problem becomes his own confession. The Christian explanation becomes self-defeating so there is a change of tactic.
He complains that the Muslim refuses to accept what cannot be understood. But the modified approach is a diversion. Now the concepts of verification and understanding are confused. To illustrate: Chemical reactions may be verified but the atom is not thereby understood. Facts are catalogued but not always explained. This distinction is the key to our concise reply. It is the Muslim who must redirect the discussion. Our primary issue is more basic than resolving the incongruities of Trinitarian doctrine. Rather than ask how the Trinity can be so, we should ask why it must be so. We ask, “Why must Jesus be divine? Can we verify the necessity of this belief?”
The Muslim Position
A few centuries ago, European Philosophers commonly felt that a conjecture was proven if it could be shown to be equivalent to an assertion made by Aristotle. Unfortunately, such an approach stopped short of challenging Aristotle and discovering truth. Similarly, testing the Trinitarian case on what people have said about Jesus stops short of establishing the integrity of the authorities and the truth of the matter.
Our purpose here is no more than the illustration that belief in the Trinity can only be based on Church authority. Many Christians admit that this is the case while others insist that the teaching was elaborated by Jesus himself. “Let them produce their proof,” is the repeated admonition of the Qur’an, that is, “provide the documentation that Jesus himself claimed unqualified deity,” (Qur’an 21:24). Unless this evidence can be produced, authorities are subject to challenge. Then the Christian may not evade the Muslim’s questions concerning understanding. The Christian will have no justification for maintaining an illogical position, unless he is content to rely on the opinions of men. If he will probe no deeper than this, the Christian-Muslim dialogue is finished.
For Christians, the only documents accepted as reporting the words of Jesus are the accounts given in the Bible. We leave the Muslim attitude toward the Bible for part II of this essay and find our motivation now in the Qur’anic verse, “Say: ‘O People of the Book! You have no ground to stand upon unless you stand fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord.” (Qur’an 5:71). Christians are advised to support their claims by citing their books. Thus Muslims believe that no saying of Jesus can be produced which shows him grasping at equality with God. The primary issue is not whether Jesus is God. The first question is whether he said that he was equal to God.
Methodology
The Bible record of sayings credited to Jesus is quite meager. After allowance for duplication in the four gospel accounts, these sayings could be printed in two columns of a newspaper. None of this handful of texts is an explicit claim of deity. All quotations are implicit, that is, they require interpretation. We are told what Jesus said and then told what he meant. So our methodology takes an obvious form.
It is not our intention or obligation to reinterpret the Bible. We are satisfied to merely verify that Christian interpretations are insufficient, ambiguous, or impossible. We mean to argue:
that where the meaning of a quotation is clear, it is still insufficient to prove that Jesus claimed equality with God;
that other quotations cited are open to various interpretation, ambiguous; and
and that still other quotations have been given interpretations that are impossible. This means the evidence is either inadequate, inconclusive, or unacceptable, respectively.
Insufficient Evidence
The virgin birth of Jesus and the miracles he demonstrated are cited by some as proof of his divinity. The insufficiency of the premise is obvious. We need only read the Biblical account of Adam’s creation, without father or mother, and the accounts of miracles associated with the prophet Elisha (Genesis and 2 Kings chapters 4,5,6). In the case of these two men, no Christian asserts their divinity, yet each has a qualification in common with Jesus.
Some maintain that Jesus was God because the Hebrew Scriptures predicted his coming. The inadequacy here is only slightly less apparent. The ancient Hebrew Scriptures are also cited as predicting the role of John the Baptist (Malachi chapter 4). These three arguments are mentioned to show that the ready claims of Christian betray a selective or forgetful recall of scripture. They know the fact of virgin birth as well as they know the account of Adam’s origins, yet they interpret the first and overlook the second.
Now to pursue our case indirectly. Does the Bible quote Jesus as claiming equality with God? Bible texts are produced to show that Jesus used the terms “son of man”, “son of God”, “Messiah”, and “savior”. But each of these terms is applied to other individuals in the Bible. Ezekiel was addressed as “son of man” (Ezekiel chapter 3). Jesus himself speaks of the peacemakers as “sons of God” (Matthew 5:9). Cyrus the Persian is called “messiah” at Isaiah 45:1. The duplicity of translators is manifested here, for they inevitably render only the meaning of the word “Messiah” which is “anointed”. Where other Bible verses seem to refer to Jesus, they prefer to transliterate “Messiah” or the Greek equivalent “Christ”. In this way they hope to give the impression that there is only one Messiah. As for “savior”, the word is applied to other than Jesus (2 Kings 13:5). Christians choose to cite the forty-third chapter of Isaiah as proof that there is only one savior. Again, translators have tried to obscure the fact that God is the only savior in the same ultimate sense that He is our only nourisher and protector, though men also have these assigned tasks. By over specifying this pronouncement in Isaiah they hope to have us believe that God equals savior and Jesus equals savior therefore Jesus equals God. The conspiracy of modern translation is easily demonstrated. The King James Bible of 1611 is everywhere available. Compare it to a more recent translation, say the New American Bible of this century. In the earlier version we find 2 Kings 13:5 contains the word “savior”, but in the newer version the synonymous word “deliverer” has been substituted. In fact, “saviours”, the plural, will be found at Obadiah 21 and Nehemiah 9:27. Here again, by substituting a different word, the connotation of divinity tied to the word “savior” has been guarded in modern versions by less than honest translation.
Once more we have exhibited the insufficient warrant of arguments offered: Those terms said to connote divinity are used of individuals other than Jesus.
There is a quotation that should be mentioned here also. At John 8:58 it is reported that Jesus said, “Before Abraham was, I am”. Even if Jesus meant to claim by these words that he was alive before Abraham was, is this sufficient ground to say that he was divine? If Jesus lived in heaven then came to earth it might mean something remarkable, but it would not be enough to establish him as God incarnate. Additionally, it should be noted that these words are open to other interpretation. Christians do not imagine that the prophet Jeremiah had a pre-human existence and so they find a suitable way of interpreting the words of Jeremiah 1:5 which portray such a situation, if taken literally, Why not apply a similar understanding in the case of John 8:58?
Ambiguous Evidence
Some scholars have insisted that in this statement of Jesus just discussed, he appropriated for himself a divine title. In Exodus chapter 3, it is reported that God told Moses “I am what I am,” as most English Bibles translate the Hebrew text. At John 8:58 Jesus says, “before Abraham was, I am,” as most English Bibles translate the Greek text. But here is the key to another deception. The original of the first text is in Hebrew while the original of the second is in Greek. All but a few of Jesus’ words were recorded in Greek. For two hundred years before the time of Jesus the Jews used a Greek translation of their Hebrew scriptures, the Septuagint. This work translated the key phrase “I am” of Exodus as HO ON. However, the words of Jesus, “I am”, have been given to us in Greek as EGO EIMI. If the gospel writer of John 8:58 wanted to tell his Greek-speaking audience that Jesus had imitated God he would have used the familiar words of the Septuagint, otherwise the point would be lost. The evidence of John 8:58 is far from conclusive.
There is another Greek word to consider which betrays suppression or neglect of evidence. At John 10:30 Jesus is quoted as saying “I and the Father are one.” The Greek word translated “one” is HEN. Certain scholars have insisted that the only possible understanding of this word is “one in essence or nature”. One need not be a Greek scholar to refute this unjustified claim. A counter example is sufficient. The same word is used by Jesus in John 17:11,21,22,23, as he includes his disciples in this oneness, whatever its meaning.
The most widely translated sentence on earth is said to be Jesus’ statement of John 3:16, “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son…” While Christians wish to say that the word “only-begotten” gives Jesus special status among all the “sons of God”, again there is a problem of ambiguity. The same word translated as “only-begotten” is found at Hebrews 11:17. In this verse the word refers to Isaac. The Bible itself shows that Isaac’s older brother Ishmael outlived his father (Genesis 25:9). Therefore, at no time was Isaac, strictly speaking, the only-begotten son of Abraham. Recognizing this, Christian scholars qualify the meaning of the word in this case and give it a less than literal interpretation. But if the meaning is subject to interpretation here, why not also in the passage of John 3:16? Once more the possibility of ambiguity means that John 3:16 is inconclusive evidence.
Whether or not Jesus really used the term “Father” when speaking of God is another controversy. But here our point is again, that such use is inconclusive evidence that God was literally Father to Jesus. All Christians use the term when addressing God. The Jews themselves used the term (John 8:41). Jesus told them that the devil was their father (John 8:44). Of course, he was not speaking literally.
Certain scholars stress the verse of Mark 14:36 where Jesus speaks the Aramaic word for Father, “Abba”. They insist that this implies a very unique relationship between Jesus and God. This displays a schizophrenic forgetfulness. For favorite scripture passages are Romans 8:14 and Galatians 4:6 where every Christian is said to use this term of address for God.
Impossible Evidence
An episode is recounted in the twentieth chapter of John and a certain Thomas is quoted as saving, “My Lord and my God.” In interpreting this, Christians maintain that Thomas was addressing Jesus by both of these titles. The Muslim would have no objection to the term “Lord”. As the Bible explains, the word means “master” and Sarah is said to have called her husband Abraham by this title (Peter 3:6). The suggestion that Thomas addressed Jesus as literally being God is a different matter. Jesus has already pointed out that the Hebrew scriptures themselves address men as “gods” (John 10:34; Psalms 82:6). This would allow for Thomas’ use of the term. However, Paul gave new rules in 1 Corinthians chapter 8, saying that there are many lords and gods “…yet for us there is but one God, the Father…. and one Lord, Jesus Christ…” Christians apply this verse to sort out the ambiguities of Thomas’ expression. But now we are left with an unorthodox doctrine, namely that Jesus is the Father. This ancient heresy has been branded by the Church as Patripassianism, Monarchianism, or Sabellianism. The impossibility of an orthodox interpretation of Thomas is now apparent.
The distinction between Father and Son is essential to the doctrine of the Trinity. This distinction is blurred again when John 14:9 is pressed into service. Here Jesus’ reply to a man named Philip is recorded as, “He who has seen me has seen the Father.” A strictly literal explication would mean the unacceptable doctrine that Jesus is the Father. So interpreters say that “Father” is here equivalent to “God”. However, we cannot possibly be obliged to understand that Jesus meant to say that seeing him was exactly the same as seeing God because he was God. Our reason is found in the contrariety of John 5:37. Here he told a crowd about the Father saying, “You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen his form.”
The Total Evidence Did the Jews Understand?
Surprisingly enough, it is often conceded that individual verses are insufficient, inconclusive, or even unusable in the case made for the divinity of Jesus. However, there are those who insist that while any given verse may be deficient, it is the total collection of all such verses that proves the case. This betrays a misunderstanding of the reasoning process. Each verse must prove something, or it is dispensable. Given a verse, we must demand to know exactly what it does prove, and why. Christian exegesis, the traditional explanation of scripture, has been exposed as incredible within the church itself. It has been shown to be enthymemic in the extreme. That is, premises and conclusions are not clearly stated. (Exactly what is meant by the “redemption of man” is still not clear to this date. [This article was written in 1983]) Whether we probe the roots or the outgrowth of the system, the structure becomes vague. (See for example, The Myth of God Incarnate[2], a Christian publication.)
A final argument has been offered based on the understanding of the Jews. Christians have said that our rebuttal given here is unimportant because the Jews understood Jesus to grasp at equality with God. They cite John 5:18, ‘ …because … (he) was calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.” They pass over the verses that follow immediately, where Jesus subjected himself to God, naming those things which God gave him.
They cite the tenth chapter of John where the Jews tried to stone Jesus for blasphemy. The point of the reply Jesus made is neglected. He demonstrated to those Jews, by quoting their own scripture, that they had no grounds for their accusation.
Curiously enough, in their haste to put claims on the lips of Jesus, part of the Christian church constructs a very confused story. The Hebrew scriptures made reference to a Messiah and the Church says this can only mean an incarnate God and so when Jesus spoke of himself as Messiah he was blaspheming because no man can be God, according to Hebrew scriptures … or so the reasoning seems to flow together in confusion.
There is a legal point to be made here. If the a understood that the Messiah was to be a man who was equal to God then a man who claimed to be the Messiah could only be condemned as a false messiah. He could not be condemned on the grounds that he uttered a statement which must always be blasphemous in itself. At some future time, the true Messiah would have to speak the very same words without being condemned. When certain Jews declared Jesus’ words as blasphemy they could only have meant to condemn him as a false messiah. Any supposed connection between the word “Messiah” and the attribute of divinity has no bearing on this matter. (The fact is, the Jews have never believed that the promised Messiah would be a man who is equal to God.)
In the second chapter of Mark, Jesus tells a man, “Your sins are forgiven.” The customary interpretation takes the side of the Jews then present, who asked, “Who can forgive sins but God Alone?” But the verse at John 12:49, among others, explains very well how a man could make such a statement. In this verse Jesus denies any personal initiative. (See also John 8:40; 14:10.) The argument based on Jewish understanding makes the assumption that the Jews understood Jesus. A more viable hypothesis is simply that the enemies of Jesus misunderstood him. In fact Jesus repeatedly alludes to this (e.g. Mark 4:11, 12). It is interesting to note that today Jewish scholars find virtually no objections to anything Jesus said. (See the reference under Jesus in the Universal Jewish Encyclopedia[3].)
Conclusion
We have not merely used the Bible to suit ourselves. Verses have been cited without any commitment as to their veracity. It has been our intention only to show the defects in the Christian stand which says: “Jesus claimed to be equal to God.” If we decoct the mixture said to establish that stand, we find inferior ingredients, weak evidence and specious reasoning. Our position has been narrowed enough to make almost any Christian response a step toward the Muslim’s position. We have cited the most quoted and clear scriptures, so if any others are brought forward, the Christian admits the deficiency of previous arguments, and thus makes a short list even shorter … the list of quotations said to prove his case. Or, if the Christian builds a case on something other than the words attributed to Jesus, he repeats exactly what we first protested: mainline Christianity is based on what people have said about Jesus.
Afterword
We asked, “Why must Jesus be divine?” By this we meant to ask why a Christian believes so. If the question is asked without reference to the foregoing discussion, a Christian will answer that Jesus must be divine if his death is to be sufficient atonement for the sins of mankind. In the Christian scheme of redemption, it is held that sacrificial death was necessary that men might be saved. Ask why the death of any man would be insufficient and the Christian replies that all men are imperfect. Ask why they are imperfect and we are told that this is an inheritance from our fathers. Jesus had no father. By their own scheme he would have been an unblemished sacrificial victim. Nevertheless, they still require that he be divine to suit the role of redeemer. So we ask, “Did God die?” He quickly replies, “No, only the man Jesus died.” Jesus is said to be a God-man and it was the human component that died. But now he has said that the death of a man has atoned for sin. The Infinite is required for this ritual of sacrifice but the Infinite is not actually sacrificed.
Hallo Amro, Anonymous
Once more> the Bible is and will be the Book for the one who is searching for the Truth. If you all dont want to know the truth, than dont read the Bible.
You all are doubting the Bible, because you think, that what is written in the Bible, is changed by someone.
Didnt you read what i wrote earlier?
EVERYBODY has made their OWN BOOK, because they CANNOT change what is written in the BIBLE> Many Chistians have their OWN book ,because they dont like what is written in the BIBLE.
The one that are faithfull to Gods Word and Commandments are ha
ving the same problem, but they are honoust enough to aknowledge that they dont understand the BIBLE. And thats why they pray to God to give them wisdom and understanding to comprehend the meaning of the Old and the New Testament Of GOD.
Can you all understand this? No one can Explain what is written in the Bible but God Himself. So dont discuss about the Bible like its a book of people. The Bible is GODS MATTER and not ours or yours.
He commanded the prophet to write it down. This is OLD TESTAMENT.
Than the disciples of JESUS where commanded by the SPIRIT of GOD to write EVERYTHING about JESUS. This is the NEW TESTAMENT.
Before LEAVING JESUS COMMANDED the DISCIPLES that EVERY NATION and EVERY COUNTRY must be TOLD about HIM. Because HE is the ONE that have ALL POWER over the LIVING AND THE DEAD> Every government of this earth and all nations must answer to HIM. Also the Devil have to answer to HIM.
This is all written in the BIBLE>
So that means I and you all.
With this i end my response to you all. Its not good to discuss about the Bible. Because its GODS MATTER. If you have any doubt about the BIBLE than go to God and ask Him about this.
He guides everyone who is thruly searching for the truth.
No one can convince someone about this than God Himself.
Bye
Delphina
TO DELPHINA,
U SAID: Before LEAVING JESUS COMMANDED the DISCIPLES that EVERY NATION and EVERY COUNTRY must be TOLD about HIM. Because HE is the ONE that have ALL POWER over the LIVING AND THE DEAD> Every government of this earth and all nations must answer to HIM. Also the Devil have to answer to HIM.
This is all written in the BIBLE>
So that means I and you all.
WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!
JESUS CAME ONLY TO THE JEWS:
Jesus calling the Jews, the masters, and the Philistines their dogs. Also, Jesus refusing to heal a sick child until he [Jesus] was pressured by the mother’s begging. Does Jesus like to be begged? “A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, ‘Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession. Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, ‘Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.’ He [Jesus] answered, ‘I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.’ The woman came and knelt before him. ‘Lord, help me!’ she said. He [Jesus] replied ‘It is not right to take the children’s [Jews] bread [blessings and miracles reserved for them] and toss it to their dogs [the Canaanite, or the Philistines].’ (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 15:22-26)”
Jesus also said: “These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: ‘Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.’ (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 10:5-6)”
These are the words of Jesus in the Bible. It is quite obvious that Jesus was NOT sent to Mankind and Christianity isn’t a religion for Mankind. Even if Jesus did die on the cross for people’s sins, he didn’t do it for all nations’ sins, but for the Jews alone who believed in him.
Also Delphina,
You are trying to avoid the subject when you say: “Once more> the Bible is and will be the Book for the one who is searching for the Truth. If you all dont want to know the truth, than dont read the Bible. ”
I can say the same about the Qur’an then, and say if you are searching for the truth and approach it with an open mind then you will believe in it, but if you look at it with an alterior motive you will never believe in it. So this applies to every religious book.
Your argument that we should not discuss the bible, we have to just believe in it or not also is wrong because in the book of Isiaih 1:8 we are told that God says “come and let us reason together” so God wants us to discuss His scriptures and reflect and use reason to see if it is true or not
Hallo Amro,
In answer to what I wrote in my former messages are the TRUTH.
You can read that in MANY places in the BIBLE.
For example read it in Mathew 28:16-20
Also in ACTS 1:1-11 etcetera etcetera,,,,,,
In response to the last part of your message> With reasoning means, try to understand what GOD had said.
That means that we can only understand HIM fully if we became fully GROWN. Now we are having the tought and understanding of a child. When we develope more understanding of the WORD of GOD than we can reason with GOD>
Now we dont understand what is happening on this Earth. First we must understand the Earthly things. THan we can understand the spiritual things. Things that CANNOT BE SEEN. First we must UNDERSTAND what we SEE all the things that happens on this WORLD.
TRY TO UNDERSTAND how this world is formed and who is governing this world. We know from the BIBLE that the DEVIL is given temporary POWER over the people. He has no POWER over the CHILDEREN of GOD> These are the JEWS and the one who BELIEVES in JESUS. On what side are you??????
You say that i am avoiding the subject but you yourself cannot be truthfull.
The things you referred must be read wholly, otherwise you cant get the FULL picture.
Everything that Jesus said must be told. Not only what you took as an example to your conviction.
Jesus also said MANY other things.
If I will tell you All that Jesus said than you wont accept it.
Why do you accept only BITS of what is written in the BIBLE.
You cannot refere only what suits you.
Jesus HIMSELF said that ALL NATIONS must be TOLD about HIM. Because HE is the TRUTH, the WAY, and the EVERLASTING LIFE. And He is the RIGHTFULL OWNER of This WORLD. You know what that means?
Thats what is written in the BIBLE>
No prophet of God said this thing about themself. They only were SERVANTS of GOD.
But when someone believes in GOD becomes a child of GOD>
Can you understand this. No other RELIGION has this kind of information about GOD. Just the BIBLE.
What is your RELATION towards GOD???????????
Because ALL RELIGION are UNPERSONAL towards GOD. They cannot relate to GOD. BECAUSE THEY DONT KNOW WHO GOD IS. So its understandable that they still are living in the ancient times, concerning the image of GOD>
You can only have a relationship with God if you KNOW WHO HE is. Otherwise you will be praying to someone that is not ALIVE but like a STATUE of the RELIGIONS of these world.
Thats why our relationship with GOD is different than ALL the religion of this world.
JESUS is RIGHT NOW ON THIS WORLD. HE makes HIMSELF VISIBLE to those who are THRULLY searching FOR GOD>
If someone searches for GOD, than he will be actually facing JESUS.
Jesus also told about the FUTURE OF THIS WORLD. How it will END. READ it in REVELATION and DANIEL>
Do you know why? Only He can give this information. No prophet can do that or any other men.
When JESUS comes BACK in the FUTURE , HE first will clean this world FULLY and than HE will BOUND the DEVIL for 1000 years.
In this period of 1000 years people will be FREE to LIVE in this WORLD. No pain, no sickness, no war, peace with all animals, no hatred, no killings or any sorrows.
Can you understand that everything that is happening in this world is caused by the DEVIL and evil people. When they will be gone out of this world than all these agonies wont be anymore.
The one who are dead are waiting for this moment. And also are the one who are living in this world right now.
The paradise, also this world, is just a temporary housing for the children of GOD> The HELL is the temporary housing for those who have chosen to follow the path of evil things.
The etarnal House will be revealed at the day of JUDGEMENT.
Because there is something far worst than the HELL.
Those who are now in the HELL are also waiting for their ETARNAL HOUSE. One thing is for sure that they will be together with the DEVIL in that Etarnal house. Those who are in paradise will be getting their BODIES back and can live AGAIN on this WORLD with the peoples from that moment.
This all is written in the BIBLE. Isnt it beautifull what the FUTURE will bring for those who are in the paradise.
NOW the DEVIL is on this EARTH. Searching for more people to destroy and kill. People know this, but still follows the Devil things.
This is just temporary. He knows it. Thats why he is very angry.
Well Amro, all these informations you can get it from the BIBLE.
But I know that you dont comprehend what verse is referred to what of to whom. Because it must be read very carefully. And thats not easy. We as christians are still studing the BIBLE> I myself are busy to study more than 30 years. So I understand your understanding. Because I know how MUCH TIME it takes to understand FULLY what is written in the BIBLE>
I also was in the beginning very paranoid towards the Bible. But later on LIFE I saw that what I read in the BIBLE is happening before my EYES. And also my Spirit became free of the DEVIL, because I am NOW in the THRUTH. So the Devil has no power over me anymore. Why??? Because of JESUS. I live now according what is written in the BIBLE.
I have grown A LOT since my life with Jesus. I understand now what is written in the BIBLE. And I am able to understand that it is GOD who makes it possible to understand the BIBLE or anything else. Like making a car or computer or something else. All these abilities is given by GOD to peoples. So this knowledge let me seek for GOD first.
We are NOTHING without GOD.
I said earlier that we musnt discuss about the BIBLE because of all the MISUNDERSTANDING> I myself didnt go to people to ask what is written in the BIBLE but began to READ it MYSELF and than ask GOD to make me understand HIS WORD>
So thats my story. And whats your story????
This Qur’anic verse applies to you, delphina, directly:
[5.75] The Messiah, son of Mary is but an apostle; apostles before him have indeed passed away; and his mother was a truthful woman; they both used to eat food. See how We make the communications clear to them(DELPHINA), then behold, how they blindly turn away.
HOW TO ANSWER A CHRISTIAN MISSIONARY BY JEWS FOR JUDAISM:
http://www.torahmedia.com/streamlink.php?fid=22581&bw=high
INFO:
This is a great audio that shows why Jews for the past 2000 years have consistently rejected Jesus as the messiah let alone G_d,(by the way, we jews don’t even believe the messiah who will come will eever be equal to G_d) Muslims can use it to refute the silly Proof texts that christians use to dupe jews into believing in christianity, too.
Hallo Gary
To what is your response???????????????????????
The TOPIC is if JESUS is GOD>
The answer is YES, JESUS is GOD
That means Jesus is the ONE who has to PROVE this. He did this in the PAST by overcoming the death. He is ALIVE.
He is still proving this TODAY by healing the sick, setting people free of demons and doing miracles among the true believers and many other things.
In the FUTURE he will show MORE of his Power over this World.
So if JESUS is GOD than HE HiMSELF will PROVE it.
Alright. So there is nothing to discuss about.
Dont doubt the BIBLE. But just ask the Christians why they THINK or BELIEF that JESUS is GOD>
NO-ONE said that they will come back but ONLY JESUS said that HE WILL COME BACK (visible).
RIGHT NOW He is here but HE shows HIMSELF only to whom HE WANTS to show.
Nowadays a lot of people has testified that they have seen JESUS.
So have I.
FOR EVERYTHING there must be EVIDENCE.
Remember Moses when he had confronted Pharao that GOD sent him to free His people (at that time they were called the ISRAELITES)than the Pharao asked to prove it.
Than Moses response was the TEN MIRACLES (supernatural power) Read it in EXODUS.
Every PROPHET in the PAST had PROVEN that they act on order of GOD>
They are all DEAD. But JESUS is ALIVE.
Now, Gary, I think you can understand what this mean. If not than I cannot make you understand this.
We, as followers of Jesus, are very sure of this. Otherwise no-one would have read the BIBLE if they werent sure about JESUS>
Like MOSES in the PAST, we as followers of JESUS has also the instructions to act in the POWER and NAME of JESUS.
To do WHAT????? The church of JESUS CHRIST has given the TASK to do the same thing that JESUS did. How will they do this?
By the HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD.
Can you recognised this or not. So in the NAME of JESUS.
NOT in any other name or prophet of this era.
Is this clear or not????
If you wanna know what the christians believe than go ask the chistians or READ the BIBLE> BUt to believe you need to have a CONNECTION with GOD. Because GOD reveals what to BELIEVE or NOT to BELIEF.
Do you have this connection with GOD?????
This connection is through your HEART, SOUL and MIND.
Not by CAMERA, MOBILE PHONE or BY SATELITE or any other connections. With These you can ONLY see someones FLESH.
But can a camera or a mobile tell you what is INSIDE a person????? The answer is very easy, NO
Now how can we see INSIDE (SPIRIT) a PERSON. Only by the spirit, naturally.
If we cant see this, how can we see GOD than or other DEAD people or Angels.
Well Gary, actually its ludacrase to explain spiritual things.
It can ONLY be EXPERIENCED by the HEART, SOUL, or MIND.
This is called the HUMAN SPIRIT. ANGELS are also SPIRITS.
BECAUSE GOD IS A SPIRIT.
Now, it is no need to go further to explain this, because the rest you will understand automatically.
Bye
Delphina
Delphina you just don’t get it do you?
This is not how the reasoning process works. What you are saying is that we have to first blindly accept something then try to explain it. It is the other way around. You do not just blindly believe in something without first being convinced that it is the truth through reasoning and evidence. YOU MUST USE ANALYSIS IN ISLAM, IT IS NOT JUST A LEAP OF FAITH LIKE IN CHRISTIANITY.
This is what led me to reject christianity because of the words of the Church Father St. Augustine when he was talking about Christian concepts of God and Original Sin he said:
“It is absurd therefore I believe it!”
I REFUSE TO RISK MY SALVATION ON SOMETHING THAT IS ABSURD SUCH AS THE TRINITY WHICH AFTER CHRISTIAN CHURCH BLINDLY ACCEPTED THEY SPENT A THOUSAND YEARS OF STUDY TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT. WHAT WAS THERE CONCLUSION? CHRISTIAN SCHOLARS HAVE JUST GIVEN UP SAY IT IS JUST A MYSTERY NOW!
If they had instead used reason and analysis first before believing in the Trinity and original sin blindly, they would have rejected it and never become christian rather than spending useless and wasteful amount of centuries trying to explain it out after blindly accepting it.
Hallo Gary,
Do you expect that someone must convince you to believe something? Like for example the christians.
THEY are not ABLE to OPENS your MIND HEART AND SOUL to the TRUTH; but GOD ONLY can do this if you are WILLING to understand what the Thruth is.
Thats why the christians READ the BIBLE to know what GOD had instructed to do here on this EARTH. Thats why they understood what Faith means.
Faith in GOD means simply that you accept HIS GUIDENCE for your LIFE. When HE set you here on EARTH than HE has the RESPONBILITY to TAKE CARE OF YOU. BUT we have to OBEY ALL HIS INSTRUCTIONS that gives us the FREEDOM and ACCESS to EVERYTHING from GOD>
Like ADAM and EVE, in the beginning in the PARADISE, they have chosen to listen to what the DEVIL or BAD PEOPLES had instructed>
Can you understand why our FIRST PARENTS have been EVICTED of the PARADISE???
They had been given the instuctions to obey GODS WORDS. But instead of that they did what the Devil told them to do.
So WE are still in the SAME situation. Like ADAM and EVE we have the CHOICE to OBEY GOD or NOT.
Let me tell you something which the christians fail to tell you or you didnt ask them.
First of all, Faith is something PERSONAL with GOD.
Second, the Relation with GOD is also PERSONAL.
It is not COLLECTIVE. Its an INDIVIDUALS own CHOICE.
When you die, than you ALONE will appear at the THRONE of GOD for all your ACTIONS and also WORDS. You have to answer for ALL this. How will you do this? Now its the time to search the answer and not AFTER DEATH. Because it will be too LATE,
Every generation before us had been struggling with many questions. Some one search in the BIBLE to find the answers. And indeed they found it. Some one seek somewhere else like the religious Books. But the one who are avoiding to be RESPONBLE for himself or herself will have lots of excuses towards every QUESTION from their OWN MIND and HEART.
Actually the answer to the truth is what do we WANT.
Do we want to live without GOD or WITH HIS GUIDENCE for our life. Through HIS GUIDENCE we WILL for SURE become A GOOD person. Like a child we must LEARN FROM HIM what are GOOD things. To learn BAD things is VERY EASY. We than make a choice to do GOOD or do BAD things. How can we know what is GOOD or BAD????????? Does a Religion BOOK tells this????????? NO, not a BIT.
It doesnt mean that we have to COPY GOOD things but WANTS to BECOME GOOD. And for this we NEED JESUS. He only can give us GUIDENCE to BECOME GOOD. Thats WHY we FOLLOW his INSTRUCTIONS. He told us how to become GOOD. SO we cannot COPY HIM but ALSO BECOMING GOOD like HIM.
Our relationship with Jesus is something PERSONAL. Without that we would BE like you all. Life would have no meaning and would be pointless. This is very PAINFULL. This is the AGONY everyone FEELS inside. God is very FAR and yet HE is very NEAR, You only have to call HIS NAME. If you dont know WHO HE is than call HIM and TELL HIM THAT YOU DONT KNOW THIS>
Thats the way I found HIM. I was born in a muslim world and As a child I also was in that situation and I just Called for HIM. ANd HE answered me the way I could understand HIM. Because I knew I have the responbility to GOD to follow HIS instructions. But I didnt know what HIS INSTRUCTIONS was. GOD knew what I wanted.
And HE let me see beautifull things in my SPIRIT. I cannot describe how beautifull the OTHER world is. Everyone has to experience this to know this.
So GOD knows EVERYONES PERSONAL STUFF. God knows if someone really wants to have HIS GUIDENCE or NOT>
Once AGAIN, we are NOTHING without GOD.
So it depends what is your QUESTION? That means also to have a Rational Explanation what you will believe. Can you follow to what i am referring.
A discussion is only beneficial if the QUESTIONS are clear and the ANSWERS are SOUND and CLEAR as a CRISTAL.
God already gave the answers to All the Questions we might have towards the meaning of LIFE and meaning of DEATH.
He gave us the opportunity to discover this with our OWN MIND, HEART and SOUL; what does it mean to THINK for YOURSELF.
We are NOT made like ROBOT with a PROGRAM.
We are made to THINK, to FEEL, to REASON, to make A CHOICE and to SEARCH for KNOWLEDGE that is the TRUTH.
He also gave the instuctions to make a CHOICE between GOOD and BAD. THats one of the ABILITY that GOD gave us.
A NORMAL people wil CHOOSE GOOD OR BAD because HE or SHE WANTS this. BUT if we CHOOSE GOOD TO GAIN THE PARADISE, and not BY OUR OWN HEARTHS DECISION, than this is BAD.
We choose GOOD because OUR MIND, HEART and SOUL WANTS THIS. There is no other way.
But there is something else that you dont know is that
BY NATURE we ARE ALL EVIL. So we try to do GOOD things but still we do BAD THINGS.
There for we need to be REBORN,
How will this happen???????BIBLE has the answer.
HOW do you think depends on how YOUR CONNECTION is WITH GOD.
Its like here on earth. When you are with BAD peoples than you will only SEE and LEARN BAD things. When you are with GOOD peoples than you will SEE and LEARN GOOD things.
So the Question is:
who is GUIDING YOU? GODS WORD (BIBLE) or a RELIGIOUS BOOK or WORLDLY BOOKS.
What is the perpose of GOD with your LIFE? You can follow your own PATH. ITS YOUR OWN CHOICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bye
Delphina
Assalm alaykum Delphina,
I have read what my fellow Muslim brothers have stated in response to your comments. As a former Roman Catholic and now a Muslim revert, I have to openly agree with my Muslim brothers. When I try to explain to my Christian family members and former friends why I chose to sell all my material possessions and live a simple lifestyle 3 years before discovering Islam, they cannot accept that I was being guided by God. It was only after watching many of Sheikh Ahmad Deedat videos that I learned more about Christianity than any church leader dared to teach…as mentioned by my fellow Muslim brothers, God gave us a mind in which we can apply logic to discern truth from falsehood, this is how many people discover Islam, but first we must open our mind and trust that we will be guided through all the falsehood. Finally, I want to question your comment concerning ‘becoming good like Jesus (P.B.U.H.)’….have you not read in Luke Chapter 18 verse 18-30 The Rich and the Kingdom of God? I am so frustrated with Christians who say ‘I am a good person and treat others how I want to be treated’ believing this is all they need to enter Paradise…I wonder where they get this logic from!
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2018%3A18-30&version=NIV
Luke Chapter 18; Verse 18-30
The Rich and the Kingdom of God
18 A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
19 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. 20 You know the commandments: ‘You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.’[a]”
21 “All these I have kept since I was a boy,” he said.
22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
23 When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was very wealthy. 24 Jesus looked at him and said, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! 25 Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
26 Those who heard this asked, “Who then can be saved?”
27 Jesus replied, “What is impossible with man is possible with God.”
28 Peter said to him, “We have left all we had to follow you!”
29 “Truly I tell you,” Jesus said to them, “no one who has left home or wife or brothers or sisters or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God 30 will fail to receive many times as much in this age, and in the age to come eternal life.”
Kind regards,
Suzanne
Hallo Jewish Guy,
The website that you have posted was very unclear. Very LONG LONG TALK about the GENEALOGIE about the FLESHLY BIRTH of JESUS.
What does this long talk prove”???????
Some one is reading some passages of the OLD TESTAMENT about the DESCENDANT of JESUS>
Why is this necesary to talk about it.
The JEWS are STILL LIVING IN THE THINGS OF THE OLD TESTAMENT>
Are THEY STILL offering ANIMALS for their SINS AND EVIL ACTS.
Move on JEWISH PEOPLES. Look to the FUTURE and see arond you that everything that JESUS said has HAPPENED TO THE JEW PEOPLE>
NO PROPHET had said ANYTHING about the FUTURE ABOUT THE JEWISH PEOPLE >
IN the NEW TESTAMENT there are things written concerning the JEWS, the ANTICHRIST, the FALSE PROPHET, the FUTURE of THIS WORLD, THE SECOND COMING OF JESUS, THE DESTRUCTION OF THIS INTIRE WORLD WITH FIRE FROM HEAVEN.
Whats more IMPORTANT: the PAST or THE FUTURE?
The OLD TESTAMENT has already been FULLFILLED.
NOW EVERYTHING that is WRITTEN in the NEW TESTAMENT OF GOD will FILLFULL in the FUTHURE.
Some has already been fulfilled, like the returning of the JEWS to the land that GOD had PROMISED TO THE DESCENDANT OF ABRAHAM.
Maybe SOME JEW will say that WE are Descendant of ABRAHAM but Like in the time of the Roman Empire, Jesus WARNED that JERUSALEM will ALWAYS be at WAR , Until JESUS comes BACK to RESTORE IT.
THis is all said by JESUS> Why will there be a war. Because of all the Blood of the Prophets and Also of JESUS had been shed there.
Despite of all the war , the Jewish who are chosen by GOD to fullfill his PLAN will be protected by HIS ANGELS. So they dont have to be afraid of any power of the DARKNESS at all. God had everything under HIS control.
JESUS wil appear VISIBLE when the whole WORLD will be at war with the JEWISH people. God knows when to do what. SO they just have to read the NEW TESTAMENT and then will know Whats happening is already been written in the BIBLE , mainly in the NEW TESTAMENT>
So, Jewish G, if you are ready to understand why the christians MUST proclaim about JESUS, than you will automatically go to read the NEW TESTAMENT.
ONLY trough JESUS we can ENTER the KINGDOM OF GOD>
Bye
Delphina
Hey Delphina,
What type of Christian are you? What Church are you part of? Can you please tell me where it says Jesus is God in the New Testament?
Thanks!
Hallo J Guy,
I just believe in Jesus because I know from the BIBLE and my OWN EXPERIENCE that JESUS IS GOD. Otherwise I would NEVER accepted HIS AUTHORITY over MY LIFE.
That means I Follow His Instructions. That means the THINGS from the NEW TESTAMENT.
To answer your question Completely i have to tell you my story how i began to BELIEVE in JESUS as MY SAVIOUR AND LORD.
But that will be too personal.
I only can tell you that I was born in the Muslim World in the land of SURINAM. As a child I saw around me a lot of RELIGIOUS PEOPLE of Muslims, Christianity, Jews, Hindoes, African and Indian Culture Beliefs.
This kind of life you have only in SURINAM. At the age 13 I went with my mother and brother to HOLLAND. Here I also saw these things but in a very angry condition.
During my childhood I read the childrens BIBLE in SURINAM. Here in Holland, during my puberty till 17 year I began to read the ORIGINAL BIBLE .
Than i understood from the NEW TESTAMENT WHO JESUS TRULY IS. As a child i ALREADY knew That JESUS is GOD but rationally I had no explanation WHY i KNOW THIS FOR A FACT.
Now about the Question where in the BIBLE you can read that JESUS is GOD….
The JEWISH community knows GOD as their FATHER. When the Farizian asked HIM who HE is, than HIS reply was: the FATHER and I are the SAME. From that moment on they became HIS enemy,
You can read this in the first Four book that are called the GOSPEL.
Later three of HIS disciples SAW the transformation of JESUS BODY. (Matthew 17) And also He could control nature, which only GOD can. The miracles that He did are the most forcefull EVIDENCE of HIS GODLYNESS.
Like making a dead person ALIVE again. And also knowing things of people hearths and minds that is only known to GOD>
In all these happenings he DID NOT use any name at all. HE just did on HIS OWN
GOD has REVEALED HIMSELF to MOSES as JHWH. The name of JESUS in HEBREW is JEHOSJOWAH. Well what do you notice here???? NOTHING HAPPENS BY ACCIDENT.
But the most compelling evidence is that HIS DESCENSION to HEAVEN, witnessed by a lot of people. WHY let JESUS see these things to them. The only PERPOSE is to TELL others everything about what they have WITNESSED.
Later all the one who Testified these things were aware that what they saw is SUPERNATURAL. Jesus also SAYS that HE WILL sent THE HOLY SPIRIT to give FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS WHAT TO DO. So in het BOOK of ACTS You can read about WHO the HOLY SPIRIT IS.
Till NOW the HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD is giving every Believer in JESUS the instructions and GUIDENCE for their LIFE.
And also the CHURCH of CHRIST cannot do NO miracle without JESUS. The ONE THAT acts on JESUS NAME are the PENTECOSTAL CHURCH and THE ONE WHO KNOWS ABOUT THIS.
LAST evidence is that JESUS will come BACK. HE SAID THIS HIMSELF. THIS means IN FLESH. So that EVERYBODY CAN SEE HIM. WHY do you think HE SAID THIS??
First HE ONLY appears to those who believe in HIM. But in the FUTURE HE will SHOW HIMSELF to the WHOLE WORLD.
But unfortunatly when HE comes BACK He has to FIGHT a war against HIS ENEMIES and to RESCUE HIS PEOPLE.
This is all written in the BOOK of ACTS. This is just a bit of the FUTURE.
What will happen between these two periodes.
Jesus is gathering, through the HOLY SPIRIT, His people and is saving them FROM FUTURE AGONIES AND PAIN AND SUFFERY. This is called: THE GREAT TRIBULATION.
The one who LISTENED to all what is said by JESUS and do as HE had commanded than they will be spared of these things of the FUTURE.
Well Guy, i think you should read yourself the New Testament to get a picture of what the FUTURE is all ABOUT>
Just FOLLOW the signs of the TIME and what is written in the BIBLE. Some signs given by JESUS is already happening before our own eyes, Al the other will Happen in the FUTURE For SURE.
NO DOUBT AT ALL>
Bye
Delphina
Hallo Guy,
The Futures things are written in the LAST BOOK of the NEW TESTAMENT. Not in Acts.
This is for delphina. it look like you dont have any sense of reasoning. with all the proof that jesus is not god you still dont understand. Any way it written in the bible that jesus told his disciple that they have eyes but they cant see.they have ear and they cant ear neither can they understand. i think you are one of them.
HALLOOOO AZIZA
It is sad and Pointless the way you react. This means that you dont havent any sense of reasoning.
You can reason with your MIND(intellect) HEART (logics) and SOUL (spirit). Spiritual things has nothing to do with EYES and EARS. First of all when someone has a pure heart than they react normal by digesting the information and than react.
So this is referred by UNDERSTANDING and BELIEVING TO something you HEAR and SEE and SENSE.
Either someone believes what is written in the Bible or not. Its just that SIMPLE.
But no-one can ignore the things that is written for the FUTURE. It will for SURE happens, Because the ONE WHO spoken is not just SOME ONE but GOD HIMSELF. When a person knowingly avoid any understanding of the truth than he or she have no hope at all.
So Aziza, be busy to prepare yourself how to answer for your life here on earth, rather be saying things that are not the true. You yourself cant prove otherwise about JESUS.
Didnt you read that JESUS is the ONE that will prove about HIMSELF. No-one has to prove HIS GODLYNESS. When HE TOLD HIS disiples to tell everything, that they have SEEN and WITNESSED, HE first gives them the understanding about HIMSELF.
He didnt tell them to go into the world and have to prove about the reserruccion or about the Personality of JESUS. Otherwise their words would have no meaning at all.
They were NOT STUPID and IGNORANT people. They were simple but GODS SPIRIT dwelled in them. Otherwise they couldnt do GODS WORK. Till TODAY the believers of JESUS are continuing HIS work on this EARTH. WHY??? JESUS Has commanded this to do. This means heal the sick, do miracles, solve unsolveble thing, free people of demons etc. All this must be done in the NAME OF JESUS>
So no cage of hell can stop JESUS work here on Earth.
Bye,
Delphina
JESUS GAVE SO MUCH PROOF ABOUT HIM SELF TO HIS DISCIPLES THAT HE IS NOT GOD AND THAT HIS GOD IS GREATER THAN HIM AND HIS GOD IS GREATER THAN ALL. THAT NO ONE SHOULD WORSHIP HIM BUT WORSHIP THE FATHER IN HEAVEN WHICH IS HIS FATHER AND YOUR FATHER AND HIS LORD AND YOUR LORD. THIS DOES NOT MEANS LITERALLY THAT THE ALMIGHTY GOD IS HIS BIOLOGICAL FATHER. I WANT YOU TO GIVE ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MADE AND BEGOTTEN. AS ALLAH TOLD US IN THE NOBLE QURAN THAT HE DOES NOT BEGOT NEITHER DOES HE BEGOTTEN.HE DOES NOT HAVE A BEGNING AND DOES NOT HAVE AN END. JESUS CHRIST HAS A BEGINING IN THE STABLE AND HAD AN APPERENT END ON THE CROSS ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE. CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHO JESUS CHRIST {pbuh} WAS PRAYING TO AND CALLING HIS GOD. BECAUSE IF YOU CLAIM THAT HE IS GOD HOW CAN HE PRAY TO HIMSELF AND ASK FORGIVENESS TO HIMSELF.HOW CAN HE TELL A MAN WHO CAME UP TO HIM CALLING HIM GOOD MASTER, AND THEN ASKING WHAT HE CAN DO TO HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. JESUS TOLD HIM NOT TO CALL HIM GOOD MASTER AS ONLY GOD IS GOOD.BUT HE TOLD HIM TO FOLLOW THE COMMANDMENT. HE DID NOT SAY WORSHIP ME FOR YOU TO HAVE ETERNAL LIFE.ONE OF THE FIRST LAW OF THE TEN COMMANDMENT IN THE BIBLE IS. I AM THY LORD THY GOD. THOU SHALL NOT WORSHIP ANY OTHER GOD BEFORE ME, THOU SHALL NOT MAKE THYSELF ANY IMAGES OR ANY LIKENESS OF ANY THING IN THE HEAVENS ABOVE OR IN THE EARTH BELOW OR THE WATERS UNDERNEATH THE EARTH BELOW.THOU SHALL NOT SERVE THEM OR BOW TO THEM.HE ALSO SAID THAT HE HAS NOT COME TO DESTROY THE LAWS OF THE PROPHET BUT HAS COME TO FULFIL THEM.JESUS CHRIST ALSO SAID, NO ONE CAN SEE GOD AND LIVE. HOW COME THE JEWS SAW THEIR GOD AND SURVIVE AND EVEN CRUCIFIED HIM. THAT SHOWS DEFINATELY HE IS NOT GOD.DONT YOU THING THAT GOD HAS THE POWER TO FORGIVE SINS WITHOUT KILLING HIS OWN SON ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE. ALLAH CREATED, HE HAS THE POWER TO FORGIVE FOR HIS OWN SAKE.SO NO ONE NEED TO DIE FOR YOUR SIN FOR IT TO BE FORGIVEN. JUST ASK SINCERELY HE WILL FORGIVE YOU. JESUS SAID I MY SELF CANNOT DO NOTHING AS I HEAR I JUDGE AND MY JUDGEMENT IS JUST BECAUSE I SEEK NOT MY OWN WILL BUT THE WILL OF THE FATHER WHO HAS SENT ME.IF I BEAR WITNESS OF MY SELF MY WITNESS IS NOT TRUE.
I HAVE NOT SEEN IN THE BIBLE WERE JESUS SAID, I AM THY LORD THY GOD WORSHIP ME. HE SAID OH CHILDREN OF ISERAL WORSHIP GOD YOUR LORD AND MY LORD. DALPHINA JESUS IS BUT A MAN. IT IS SAID IN THE BIBLE, OH CHILDREN OF ISAERAL HEAR THESE WORD, JESUS OF NEZARETH A MAN APPROVED BY GOD AMONGST YOU WITH MIRACLE, WONDERS AND SIGNS WHICH GOD DID BY HIM IN THE MIST OF YOU WHICH YOU YOURSELF ALSO KNOW. JESUS SAID I WITH THE FINGER OF GOD CAST OUT DEVILS. HE DID NOT SAY I AM GOD I CAST OUT DEVIL BY MYSELF.DONT YOU THINK THAT CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY IS THE SAME AS HINDUS.TO SAY THAT GOD BECOME A MAN TO UNDERSTAND A MAN. IF GOD CREATED MAN HE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT HE HAD CREATED. THAT WHY HE CHOOSE A MAN AMONGST US WHICH HE SPEAK TO IN A HIGHER SPRITUAL LEVEL TO CONVEY THE MASSEGE TO US. DELPHINA IF YOU MADE A VCR YOU KNOW EXACTLY HOW IT WORK AND YOU WILL GIVE A BOOKLET TO SHOW HOW IT WORK. YOU DO NOT NEED TO BECOME A VCR TO UNDERSTAND A VCR.
Hallo dear Aziza,
Like I testified before, its not your OR anyones concern HOW JESUS presents HIMSELF to MANKIND.
In the Past He showed MANY, MANY things about HIMSELF.
NOWADYS HE does the same thing. Doing the work trough the CHURCH. Do you think that the church does these things on their own AUTHORITY? Ofcourse NOT.
He said the disciples to MOVE ON and tell ALL NATIONS about HIM. Untill then HE is helping the chuch to ACHIEVE this GOAL. HE is now INVISIBLE present here on EARTH. Sporadicly He shows HIMSELF. But this is just sometimes when its neccasary to have witnesses for HIS cause.
When HE said HE WILL BE WITH THE CHRUCH till THE END, HE will do it like HE said. Till the END he will back up HIS church (the believers in CHRIST) Until HE APPEAR in SIGHT of ALL MANKIND.
You can read this In MATTEW 28: 18-20.
18 Jesus came to them and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth.
19 Therefore go, and make disciples of ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the FATHER and of the SON and of the HOLY SPIRIT
20 TEACHING them to observe ALL things that I COMMANDED you. Behold, I AM WITH YOU ALWAYS, EVEN TO THE END of the age.†Amen
Another texture from the Bible. Mark 16:14 -20
14 Afterward HE was revealed to the eleven themselves as they sat at the table, and HE rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they didn’t believe those who had seen him after HE had risen.
15 HE said to them, “Go into all the world, and preach the Gospel to the whole creation.
16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who disbelieves will be condemned.
17 These SIGNS will accompany those who believe: in MY NAME they will cast out demons; they will speak with new languages;
18 they will take up SERPENTS; and if they drink any deadly thing, it will in no way hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.â€
19 So then the Lord Jesus, after he had spoken to them, was received up into heaven, and sat down at the RIGHT hand of God. 20 They went out, and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them, and CONFIRMING the word by the signs that followed. Amen.
The words that is spoken by Jesus, will be back up by JESUS HIMSELF with the FOLLOWING SIGNS:
* CAST OUT DEMONS (DEVILS CO-OPERATORS)
* HEALING THE SICK
* SPEAKING NEW LANGUAGES (HEAVENLY)
* NO HARM TO THEIR BODY IF THEY UNKNOWLY DRINK
EAT POISONESS STUFF
* NO HARM WHEN BITTEN BY SERPENTS (SNAKES)
This is just for THOSE who BELIEVES in the NAME of JESUS.
Now to clearifty the matter of JESUS position, you must sometime go to churh (church of christ) and SEE these things for yourself.
If you have the INTENTION to wanting to become a Good Person then you need to have contact with GOD first. First You need to know WHO GOD is.
By, good luck
The spiritual Things cannot be explained by reasoning but can only understood by the spirit. Like the tthings of the mind can be explained by reason. And the things of the heart can be explained by the heart. SO the things of the spirit can be explained by the spirit.
Now By nature our spirit is DEAD. There we need to be reborn.
Otherwise nothing wil be clear for the mind nor the heart. Especially the spirit who needs the LIFE of GOD in it.
delpina you said either someone beleive in what is written in the bible or not. i just what to point to you that if i give you an hinhu scripture and tell you to just beleive in it, will you accept it. you will definately want proof to say yes it is the right religon. i am a muslim and i truly beleive in jesus and the scriptures send by him from the almighty god. but it has been changed over time. the holy book that has not been touch since it was revele is the noble Quran. the almighty allah said that he will protect it. That is why up till now you dont see any muslim worshipping the prophet mohammed because he him self came as a warnner to mankind not to worship no one but the almighty. Any muslim that does’nt beleive in jesus (pbuh) is not a muslim.we are made to beleive by our prophet that he was one of the mighty messenger of the almighty god.that he heal the blind, sick and raise the death by god’s permission.but he is not god. you yourself said that he was raised up by god and sit in the right hand of god. so how can he be god. there is nothing like a man god.the quality of god and man is totally different. god is inmortal and man is mortal. god does not required to be fed, sleep, cry, hunger,or killed. but man will go through this.the almighty god told our beloved prophet that mary the mother of jesus is a woman chosen above the women of all nation. why will our prophet want to say that if it does not come from the hightest authority.also jesus did not come for mankind he came only to the jews.that why he adress only the jews. when the cannianite woman can to him he said he was not sent to them. the only prophet who god sent to humanity is the prophet mohammed (pbuh)that why in the Quran god told him to SAY the word SAY 333 time. he told him to say OH MANKIND. he did not refer to the jew or arab. he said OH mankind. to jesus he said OH children of isearel. Jesus even told you about the coming of mohammed (pbuh)that he will ask god to send you an other comforter which will abide with you for ever. he also said i will send unto you from thy father and he will testify of me. never the less i tell you the truth but it is expident for me to go but if i dont go i will not send him but if i go, i will send him on to you. yet i have many thing to say on to you but you cannot bear them now. but when the spirit of truth comes, he shall llead you into all truth. he shall not speak of himself but what so ever he shall hear he shall speak. he shall tell you thing to come, he shall glorify me and he shall received of mine and show it onto you. that is what mohammed (pbuh) has done by the direction of god to tell the truth that happen and stop this confusion. the almight god said they did not killed him niether did they crucified him but it was appear to them so. god said they plan and i am the best of planner. if you believe in god you should not doubt the power of the almight god who created man and knows exactly what he has created.
with good intention
ALSO DALPHINA YOU SAID JESUS SAID THAT HE WILL BE WITH THE CHURCH FOR EVER, YOU WILL HEAL THE BLIND, SICK IN HIS NAME. IN THE BIBLE IT IS SAID THAT ON THE DAY OF RISING THE CHRITIAN WILL GO INFRONT OF JESUS AND SAID TO HIM DID WE NOT HEAL THE SICK AND BLIND IN YOUR NAME. HE WILL SAID TO THE CHRISTIAN GET AWAY FROM ME, GO AWAY. THIS IS BECAUSE YOU CALLED HIM LORD.THIS IS YOUR LORD AND CHERISER IS TELLING YOU TO GO AWAY WHAT A DISAPPOINTMENT THAT WILL BE FOR THE CHRISTIAN ON THAT DAY. WOH ON THAT DAY FOR THE UNBELIVERS. MAKE SURE YOU DONT BE ONE OF THEM.REFLECT AND REASON AS GOD GIVES YOU SENSE TO REASON.
delphina-
i just have a question. if jesus (pbuh) is god, as you say, why hasn’t he tried to fight the god he prays to, to aquire all power? if two beings have the power of god, that would create chaos over who should do what, and exactly what power each have over things on earth.
(wait, one more) and if jesus(pbuh) is god, as you say, why don’t people worship only him instead of the god jesus(pbuh) prays to? if jesus can grant you eternity in heaven, then what is the point of even believing in the other god? if i want to become a good person, and i pray to jesus (pbuh), then what of his maker? his maker has all the power. he gave jesus(pbuh) life, and he can certainly take it away. right?
(one more!) if jesus (pbuh) had conceived before his passing, would his children then also be gods and goddesses? it would make it sound like another greek myth, and i doubt any of us here believe in those.
p.s. a note to everyone here, please don’t be rude. this is a peaceful discussion about jesus (pbuh). thanks
the nazi comment was absolutely uncalled for
i apologize for how i sound, but i want to smack him. this was a friendly debate. there was no need to call his opponent by such names
i love u because u have made me proud to a muslim
To Muslims.
While Islam does invite through a reasoning process, and is consistent in its understanding of the monotheistic nature of God, make no mistake: an act of faith is still required which cannot be reduced to mere logic. Recognising this, it is essential that Muslims should use wisdom and should behave respectfully towards others when conveying the message of Islam. This is particularly so when engaging with the people of the book and especially with the sincere Christians.
Muslims should never use a strong case in order to mock those whose beliefs appear to be based primarily on faith over reason. Use restraint when pointing out apparent flaws in another’s book. Harshness of speech is disliked in Islam and this fact should be remembered by every Muslim (especially public speakers) who wish to seek Gods pleasure by spreading Islam.
In such debates we should stress the common grounds we have as well as clarifying the differences. Our principle reason for engaging in such discussions should be to invite others to Islam, not to win an argument in order to show how right we were. Pride betrays itself as a craving to be right. Recognising this causes us to question our true intentions.
Excessive harassment without developing the positive alternative which Islam offers is likely to cause the Christian, say, either to raise their barriers further or even to question faith in its entirety. Showing frustration (or anger) only serves to highlight our own short comings as Muslims and in giving dawah. Instead, engage with humility when trying to communicate the message of Islam while recognising that only God ultimately has the power to change hearts (not you). Use your intellect to analyse what isn’t working. Study how the prophet invited to Islam. Note that his method of invitation was subtle and was tailored to suit each type of individual. It is not our responsibility to ‘convert’ people, but to convey the message to the best of our ability. After all, if God wanted us all to be Muslims without us having to expend any effort, it could be so.
Jesus is not the name of Jesus. Before arguing on this subject Christians should take the correct name of their god. FYI during Christ’s era English language was not even in its existence.
Honestly the whole story of jesus kind of reminds me of greek mythology a bit, you know hercules and zeuss. Anyhow, delphina your telling everyone to go read the bible and such and we will see that Jesus is G-d. All I have to ask you is did you ever read the old testament. It clearly says that anyone that speaks against G-d or “prophesies” against the laws of G-d or tells you that you should do anything other than what is written in the Old testament should be put to death. And so, Jesus was killed. But I don’t buy the whole story G-d blows himself into a woman and poof we get G-d in human form, that claim is like write out of Greek mythology books. G-d in the form of human, for what? What would that accomplish. There is no such thing as trinity its blasphemy, there is what we call different attributes of G-d, and they definitely don’t have anything to do with anyones son. You twist and turn all these fancy stories just to prove Jesus is G-d e.g trinity or even verses in the old testament which have no indication whatsoever about Jesus. You made me laugh when you tried comparing jesus’s name to G-d’s name. Are you even aware jesus is neither a hebrew nor aramaic name. How could you compare G-d’s name which is hebrew to some latin name (or whatever it is), in fact his real name was Yeshu. Delphina you and many others that carry your type of belief don’t differ from any other idolatrous religion. You believe in Jesus more than in G-d, this is because you lack faith in believing in something that has no human grasp/ concept, so Jesus becomes a fancy story that you can understand who G-d is, i.e a human concept!
Dalphine as much as i tried to understand your point of view i have to admit you left me more confused than convinced. You seem to not understand the discipline of reason, because like someone else pointed out, you have it backward or upside down.
And i noticed you have yet to really refute all the contradictions pointed in the bible and all the occurrences where Jesus seems to say things that went totally against the claim of Jesus’s divinity.
Good explaination from aziza yusuf.
Like all prophets in Islam, Jesus is considered to have been a Muslim, as he preached for people to adopt the straight path in submission to God’s will. Islam rejects that Jesus was God or the son of God, stating that he was an ordinary man who, like other prophets, had been divinely chosen to spread God’s message. Islamic texts forbid the association of partners with God (shirk), emphasizing the notion of God’s divine oneness (tawhÄ«d). As such, Jesus is referred to in the Qur’an frequently as the “son of Mary” (“Ibn Maryam”).[133][134] Numerous titles are given to Jesus in the Qur’an, such as mubÄrak (blessed) and `abd-AllÄh (servant of God). Another title is al-Masīḥ (“the messiah; the anointed one” i.e. by means of blessings), although it does not correspond with the meaning accrued in Christian belief. Jesus is seen in Islam as a precursor to Muhammad, and is believed by Muslims to have foretold the latter’s coming.
delphina! i wnder hw u wl answer dis, acts 2.22 says, “Ye men of Israel, hear these words-Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN approved of God from amongst you, by wonders n miraclesn signs WHICH GOD DID BY HIM in d midst of you, as ye yourselves also knoe.”
To Delphina
Maybe its too late to say this
but if as u claim Jesus (PBUH)is God. Then he is the one who made ADAM & EVE.
and as we all know ADAM & EVE where made before Jesus (PBUH) was born.
Then, how come Creatures come before the Creator him Self.
Thank You
You know it really hurt when I researched bible history and found out the facts ,at first I thought Islam was from the devil and a way to destroy your faith ,all I can say check the facts out don’t just believe a minister??I did and am a Moslem,I pray that God might guide you , have a open mind check the facts,Now ware does Jesus say I am God or worship me??
brothers.. i request all of you to visit hear this lecture from sheikh Abdullah Hakeem QUICK So u wil have a good understanding of the christian faith
http://www.halaltube.com/abdullah-hakim-quick/the-truth-about-holidays
Let the christian first define God and then they can argue who is God.
great work muslims.. keep going strong and Inshallah let us be awre of falling in the traps of shaytan which the people of the book are in
hi delphine you have not been replying to all the comments lately. i hope you are alright. we are all god’s creation therefore we are sisters in humanity. hope everything is ok with you.
Daar Delphine,
I would like to interact directly with you. Feel free to contact me at ghazaliabu@yahoo.com because I believe that you’re very open for discussion.
Hope we can discuss instead of arguing about our believe. After all I will respect your believe as it is.
“JESUS (PEACE BE UPON HIM)NEVER SAID ANYWHERE AT ANYTIME TO ANYONE THAT HE WAS GOD”.THE THINGS HE SAID THEY DONT DO IT.AND THE THINGS HE NEVER SAID THEY DO IT.
I am very happy that I found this site.
I will just like to add that Jesus my Lord is the king of the kings and rules the Heaven irrespective of whatever you guys want to say about him! He is still living amongst all of us and he is a God!
He (Jesus)is miraculous and I feel blessed to have known him in this life!!! Delphina bless you girl for coming up and defending Jesus in front of these non believers who believe that they know everything..to be very honest we dont need to do that coz they will never know what or who Jesus really is…
We know of Jesus by what God Almighty tells us about Himself and Jesus.. That He God is One God in every way and without confusion, that He is the Creator of everything, that He has no begining and no end, that He can not be questioned where all else can be questioned, that He is full of Power and Might that He can destroy the whole Universe and recreate in less than a second.He is full of Mercy, that He can forgive anything He pleases. He does not suffer, sleep, eat, drink, get tired or need company. He was not Born neither does He give birth. He is the One and the only True God for everybody and everything since He is their only true Creator, Lord God whom everything will eventually go back to Him. to some people’s suprise and “too late regret”, He will not be two or three or a lot of combined gods, but simply ONE God that does not look like any one (humanbeing or any other creation) that is why nothing can be likened to Him, nothing can be compared to Him. on the other hand God tells us that Jesus was born to a woman named Mary. he definety ate and slept. and he will die just like any other human being or any other creation. God also tells us and therefore we believe that Jesus was born to a virgin..a miracalous birth without the help of anyman, God also made other miracous creation, Adam, the father of all humanity did not have a father or a mother. these are some of the sings of the One and the Only God who does not share His Godship with anyone and He only does Godly things. God tells us that Jesus is one the mightest Messengers that He ever sent to humanity and that he is in exalted position. and Jesus mother was a chaste and sincere woman. She is also the best woman to have ever walked on the face of the earth since the begining of time and the end of time. but this does not mean that God Himself had intercourse with her for God does not have intercourse. this is the stuff the animals do including humanbeings. God is not Human. neither does He need to become a humanbeing to know exactly how we feel or to redeem our sins. God has a complete controll over everyhting. Laws do not apply to Him. He is above everything and greater than everything in all ways. He is infinite when everything else is finite. our little minds can not comperhend the Allmight God. all we have to do is to believe that There is only one thing that is worthy of our love, our time, our goal, our money, our attention, our dedication and commitment, our fear and hope, our thoughts and our actions and our worship…that is the One and the Only True God in earth and in the heavens. We have to believe that there is only One God, Allah, (in arabic); we have to believe all the Messengers that He sent to Humanity since the begining of time including, not limited to Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Mohammad(the seal of prophets), get to know God (Allah), His universal messege and His messengers(by the way they all preached the same messege…which was, is and will always be “there is ONLY ONE GOD” and you must believe all of His true and faithful prophets and read His messege (the Qur’an). I say this with all respect. and we don’t know everything and we actually know very little…which one of them is definetly the true concept of God. that He is One God without any partners. He is One God in every sense. He is not composed of parts. He is not subject to time or space or anything else. thank you
Dont be deluded!! There are no contradictions!!
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Del, we’re commanded in Qur’an to say:
Show your scriptual proof. And DON’T quote John 3:16, the most debated verse among bible scholars. I’m not going to base a religion off a verse that is very likely fabricated
My Christain frieds it is possible that one of you say to your sister I am your father, Juses is not God He is one of the mightiest massenger of God.God is God, Juses is Juses, I am I and you are you.indeed Ahmad Deedat wanted to help you in the right path.
To all Christians:
If Jesus is God and plans to kills himself for the sins of mankind, why did he wait for 30 years to start his ministry? Why did not start away in his childhood or in his teens to start saving mankind which was wallowing in sin?
Salam,
I think Christians visit Islamic sites because they are searching for answers yet they are still consumed and confused by the teachings of Paul. The Prophet Jesus (PBUH) said “the Son cannot bare the iniquity(sin) of the father..” Ezeikel 18:20 so he could not have died for our sins. Paul (Saul of Tausus, the Christian bounty hunter) was the one who changed it because it suited him and roman’s more. we need to be patient brothers with our visitors from the christian faith. Remember that Allah (swt) told us to be patient 🙂
By the way if you visit http://www.dailymotion.com, search muslim converts there are many video’s of Jew’s who have repented and reverted to Islam.
Salam
tc
Delphin n Tina this people hav convince me that jesus is not god, b/c if realy he god, he would be first to use the phrase “i am god” just the same way he said he is a servant so we call him servant. he is prophet so we call him a prophet, but no where in the bible jesus call him self god, or he said worship me,so for me i will notcall him god or worship him he worship god n command u to worship thesame god not him n god, delph if there is tel me, if not i m going to convert n embress muslim faith n if truily u searching for the truth then u should follow me. remember delphh dont tell me any thing apart of jesus own statement saying i am your god so worship me thanx
Br. Inuwa, I want to welcome you to the inuwa of Islam. May God continue to guide you in the right direction.
These are points I keep in mind about religion:
Don’t believe blindly.
If something is worth believing, it should stand up to critical questioning.
Ponder about the miracles of this world.
The Creator is all powerful and all knowing, and in His books you will find accurate information about his creation.
God helps those who help themselves.
Asalam Aliekum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatu!
Dear all, your doing such a nice job, I was looking for Sheikh Ahmed Dedaat Sahib lectures(May Allah send Him to Heaven for what He Have done)that I faced to this site.
Everyone who is doing Da’wa or such a job or wants to prove a Book that it is word of God should have reason for that I have read some of the thoughts of our christian brothers and sisters in here especially Tinas’ Message, dear Tina you have said in your talking that Jesus is God just for my information could you give me a verse from any book that you believe in that Jesus him self says that I am God or worship me? Because I believe in One God (ALLAH)not Two or Three and I believe also in Jesus (Esa Alay Sallam) that he is messenger of God but not God himself so if I am wrong please direct me to to follow the right way (your religion) because I am afraid of hell fair the fair which its fuel and fair is from stons and humans whom does not believe in one God (Allah) and the messengers of God, starting with Adam, and continuing with Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Jesus and prophet Muhammad (peace be up on them all) so dear kindly let me know your prove about your statement.
Dear Muslims as we all know its in The Holy Quran 3:64 you are doing such a great job see below for the verse.
64. Say: “O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah. that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.” If then they turn back, say ye: “Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah.s Will).
This is also for Muslims that you can ask from non-muslim brothers and sisters during your Da’wa time.
Holy Quran 2:111
قل هاتو برهانکم ان کنتم صدقین
Produce your prove if your truthful
Respectfully
Msayedi
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Can anyone say that god is unjust? IF the only way to salvation was through jesus, than why was Adam put on this earth without being informed about jesus divine and eternal status?? Basically billions of people before christ must all be in hell including Moses, Abraham upto Adam. I don’t believe this blaspheme and neither should you. God is one, and he choses who will deliver that message. Ahmed Deedat is basically stating that those who follow the authentic word of Jesus, not paul or mark or anyone else, are muslim.
to MI.
you bible clearly says that sin is not inherited, how come you say that jesus christ died for your sin.
it states
“The soul that sinneth it shall die, the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him and the weakedness of the weaked shall be upon him. but if the weaked will turn and those of the lawful he shall surely live, he shall not die”
(ezekiel 18:20) HOLY BIBLE
This shows that there is no such thing as sin inheriting
Dear All,
My thinkings on these. I was raised as a XXXXXXX ,born as a YYYYYYYYY and now is of the YYYYYYYYYY faith. Pardon me for not disclosing the above religions.Suffice to say that one is Islam and the other Catholic. My family is diverse in belief’s. Ther are some muslims,catholics,buddihst etc. We are an example of the united nations of religious faith.
What I am trying to say is this.I do not believe in admonishing,degrading and those to that effect of other people belief’s. There can be no force in belief’s.Each onto his or her own. While mature discussions are good but 99% of the time it will disintegrate into a catfight,name calling etc.
I have read most if not all of the above comments and it has gone onto that path.I would say that all religions teaches tolerance and respect for one another.Ultimately the things that are happening in the world by the hard wingers of whatever faith is done for their own personal self interest.The act and will of man who by his very nature has he holier than thou attitude.
I am well versed in the Qur’an and the Bible. Both religions teaches tolerance and peace.The act of defining and/or intreperting those writings are best left to the people who has extensive knowledge in it.Even there we have to be careful….for if that person/s has hispersonal interest at stake…hen it would defeat the purpose.
Ultimately it boils down to this.TOLERANCE,PATIENCE AND UNDERSTANDING. Simple words.Not so simple when the heart controls the mind.
We are all born muslim 🙂
If you sincerely seek the truth, God will guide you to the truth.
Then it is up to you whether you want to accept the truth or not.
Dear Sir,
I agree with you on the Islamic faith and its views. But we must be careful in our statements lest it causes resent in people of other faiths.The same goes to the Christian faith and /or any other faiths.
Sometimes what we wish to convey is misinterpreted. A becomes B.It just causes undue resentment. I wish to point out to you on our comment “We are all born muslim” That stement is fine when you are conveying a statement to fellow muslims.However when it is read by people of other faiths…it causes anger. Pardon me.
Well I guess since I do not wish to cause any confusion, let me tell you of my history. I am of Portuegese descent.My family originally is of the Catholic faith. My father converted to Islam when he got married.My grandmother is of the buddist faith.Born a muslim.Raised as a catholic.Chose of my own free will Islam.None in my family or extended family challenged me.We do talk about religion among ourselves
The Catholics,Muslims,Buddist and Hindus all are gathered and we discuss.We DO NOT FIGHT and DO NOT DEGRADE others.We respect each faith.Just to seek understanding thats all.Not bad feelings etc.That is the why the world is in turmoil.Everybody wants to be correct.There is no respect.
I am a Muslim and I am proud of it.My cousins are of Christianaty and they are proud for it.Nothing wrong with that.I seek the truth yes….within my religion.My cousins seek the truth within their religions.Each onto his/her own.
Islam is peace and so is Christianity. Why cant we tolerate each other and work hand in hand?
The truth? What is the truth my dear friend. It is too subjective. Ultimately my truth is not the same with anothers. Rukun Iman,Rukun Islam and the two shahdah’s yes undoubtedly as a muslim.However there is also Qalb Munib.That is what people of the Islamic faith mostly do not know.
Flower Power, make peace and not war is the way. War is frowned upon and hated by Islam and Chriatianaty.However it is allowed whence defense is required.
War is between soldiers only.Does not encompass civilians,woman and children.THAT IS WRONG. NO GOD IN HEAVEN ALLOWS THAT. Today however, when the hearts of man controls their minds…everything is justified.Islam and Christianaty are religions of peace.We are the ones who degrates it.
My friend you are a muslim I gather.It is not suffice to learn Feqah and Tauhid only.Learn also Tasawwur.If I have offended you, my apologies.But this is my view
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It doesn’t matter if it is written in Bible or not … When Bible is proven Corrupted .. If anybody deny of all these alterations then he should read History in detail.
Thanks
wow. can you not see his point, delphina? isnt it obvious? how can that statement,jesus is god, when there are other sayings in the bibles that are not the same. you said that in the new testament, it may state that jesus is god. look how much you bible changes, how many bibles there are in all. while the bible states some stuff that are true,quran is all true. while you christains have alot of bibles,there is only one quran. that means that you have doubts in your bibles, while the quran remains one, so the muslims have no doubts in the quran. here are four facts that might bring you into the light: 1) allah told muhhamed in the quran that he would make his name popular, and guess what the most popular name is? muhammed. you dont see bob or john in africa, but there are muhammeds, as in america and every other continent in the world. 2)put one arm behind ypur back. guess what you just spelled in arabic,reading from top to bottom? muhammed.3) in the quran, it says that the earth will slow down its spinning until it stops,then it will start spinning the other way.
so if jesus is really god or the son god ……. can u explain the trinity?? i know this is kinda of the topic…
to tell u the truth it confuses me ……i already heard the trinity explained as an egg and that really didn’t satisfy me…. also i really would lke to know who do uu worsip jesus or god?? who is the highest authority exactly …….and why ……if you worship god….wouldd u worship a god that has a son isn’t that a weakness ………… i would assume the lord of the heavens and he earth isn’t dependent on any creature……and if u worship jesus (pbuh)then explain me to were in the bible jesus says i’m god worship me and also wasn’t jesus (pbuh) human who slept and eat like rest of us why would u worship a human?? i believe he was higher status then then only because he was a prophet of god (may allah have mercy on him)……to tell u the truth christianity confuses me so much …….
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The father of all prophets(Ibraham)was a muslim ,and all the prohets believe in only one god. So jesus was innocent from all whats said after him
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A puzzle to all.A book with no miracles thru the prophet ,and no prophecies at all and also the 75% of the stories in it are already in the bible with the same events and names.For Ex:The Event of Adam nd Eve was first mentioned in the bible with names.Like wise so many.The funny thing is it took stories from it and comments on it.Its funny.Can you guess.let me tell you its (The Quran)
Bible is the only book on the face of the earth which contains scientific facts mentioned before christ thousands of years ago,also hundreds of prophecies fullfilled till date and also gives humanity a way to salvation (Assurance) and also the principles in it if followed,leads peace on earth.Complete Peace can be obtained only thru this book,as it didn’t teach any killing to be terrorists.Rather if we see ,the only holy being on earth is Jesus even Quran testifies.Ultimately this Holy being’s doctrine will be the best one which attests Peace.
I don’t know why these muslim ppl feel happy for rebutting bible.Their religion is a big ZERO without bible.For them to claim that muhmad is the last prophet,bible is the foundation for them as first prophet as per quran is Adam,last but one is Jesus.this events are mentioned no where else but in Bible prior to quran.So if no bible,then there is no posibility to claim he is the last prophet.It will become a new religion.So Bible is the base for their religion to exist.
JESUS(PBUH) IS NOT GOD. IF JESUS(PBUH) WAS GOD THEN WHY HE WILL COME TO EARTH TO EXPLAIN HIS OWN RELIGION. JESUS(PBUH) IS A PROPHET OF ALLAH. IN THE WHOLE BIBLE THERE IS NOT A SINGLE WORD WHERE JESUS(PBUH) SAID “I AM GOD” OR “PRAISE ME”. AND ALSO THE SHOCKING THING IS THE WORD CHRISTIANITY OR CHRISTIANS DOESN’T EXIST IN THE WHOLE BIBLE.
The main reason Jesus came to Earth is to give himself for the whole world for the remission of the Sins of the mankind.Why is remission needed?.In the old testament
God prescribed animal sacrifices,for the remission of Sins.Sin comes from satan.so for its remission,then God without shedding the blood cant be pleased to forgive.So he prescribed animal sacrifices.Not only Bible,except Quran,all the religions teach some or other way for the remission of Sins to appear righteous in the sight of God,and that they prophecied that God would take human form and gives himself for all the mankind.This is taught in upanishads,vedas and hindu slokas and so many holy books,and in history you find the person they described,with all the attributes was none other than The Lord Jesus Christ.jesus defeated death for the first time in the history of mankind and then defeated Satan and death.Now Satan’s every move is to deviate all from this and trying to make all ineligible for heaven.
Tell me after Adam who is the holy being on earth?even Quran testifies that he is the only Holy Man on earth.Only for God its possible.
Jesus when he is on Earth,took human form humbled himself till death and submitted himself to the father God.But once he is Dead and raised and he went to heaven,jesus calls himself as almighty God,and that he is the First and the Last,and that he is the beginning and the Ending.These titles belong to Father God in the Bible.yet the Son also shares the same titles/attributes.God is Triune in nature. u need to understand this.Even when he is on earth,jews picked up stones on him for he is blaspheming saying he is Son of God and that he is God and that he is making himself equal to the father being a man.And thomas said my God ,my Lord to jesus after he is risen.For this Jesus didn’t say that dont say me God.instead he said only thru holyspirit you have recognized me.U saw me and believed.Blessed are the ones who without seeing believes me.
Also there were countless quotes i can give reg jesus Diety in the bible.Zakir naik made all the muslims fools.This is not said by me but most of the renowned muslim Scholars themselves.
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Hi Ahmad,
Appreciate your walk thru to bible.thats great .I know the basic doctrine of Quran but never digged into it deeply.from now on i will study that too.
I am feeling happy that i have got a chance to answer all the claims that there were errors in the bible.I will utilize this and try convey my message to you regarding Jesus,lets analyze .
Reg Snakes Eating dust,below is the verse and its meaning.
“So the LORD God said to the serpent, ‘Because you have done this, Cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life.” Genesis 3:14
Snakes do not eat dust. Yet, snakes do take particles into their mouths on their tongues to “taste” the air. This is the sense in which snakes smell things.
Furthermore, eating dust is a Hebrew idiom signifying humiliation and defeat.
See its a metaphorical usage.compare with the verses below.
“The desert tribes will bow before him and his enemies will lick the dust.” Psalm 72:9
“Kings will be your foster fathers, and their queens your nursing mothers. They will bow down before you with their faces to the ground; they will lick the dust at your feet. Then you will know that I am the LORD; those who hope in me will not be disappointed.” Isaiah 49:23
This talks about the defeat of the other party,not that humans licking dust.
Hope you got the answer for this.
Now still iam saying that there were no errors in the bible.
next take my question.
In Quran its mentinoed that there were warners sent to each and every community with the prophets speaking their own language were sent,and that he sent books.
Can you produce one single book on earth other than Quran ,which is from Allah and which is compatible with Quran?this is not a challenge.just to analyze.
If we say muhmad the last messanger of God ,then he shud be compatible with all the basic doctrine of old revelations.
Take any other book on the Earth other than Quran ,which is religious,claims that for Sins we need remission.Hindus go to ganges,for sins remission,christinas thru the blood of christ etc..
Also in the updanishads,vedas,hindu slokas,the Old testament of bible,prophecied that God would take human form and Die for the Sins.Even Lord buddha told that.
I you go to old revelations,take any book whcih is religious on the face of the earth,it says that God came in human form(Avtaar).
If allah might have sent 1024 prophets and 343 messangers with books,then produce any book on the face of the earth other than quran,which denies that God wont take human form and no remission of sins is required.
This number is given in Haddits.The main verse is in Quran.
Also where are the other books?If allah might have sent those books,then till Quran came nobody knows the name Allah or have ever anybody worshipped Allah before Quran?
Thats why we doubt if he is the last messanger of God.
Also reg heaven, muhmad says that there will be Wine in heaven flowing.In bible it says the opposite of what is mentioed in quran.Not only this but all the basic doctrine of bible.
When jesus came to earth,he is fully compatiblwe with old testament.i;e he quotes from old testament and talks about his fullfillment.Also paul what ever he spoke,quotes from old testament and proved.So we can conclude jesus is the messanger of God by this.
muhmad’s Quran is totally opposite to bible basic doctrine reg Sin,salvation,heaven etc..
Jesus warned that many will come in my name and deceive you.
You read the complete bible and you yourself will tell that God cannot send a prophet who would mary 11 and describes heaven in such a way which is not acceptable.
Thanks,
I hope that this is you who typed.
JESUS(PBUH) IS NOT GOD. IF JESUS(PBUH) WAS GOD THEN WHY HE WILL COME TO EARTH TO EXPLAIN HIS OWN RELIGION. JESUS(PBUH) IS A PROPHET OF ALLAH. IN THE WHOLE BIBLE THERE IS NOT A SINGLE WORD WHERE JESUS(PBUH) SAID “I AM GOD” OR “PRAISE ME”. AND ALSO THE SHOCKING THING IS THE WORD CHRISTIANITY OR CHRISTIANS DOESN’T EXIST IN THE WHOLE BIBLE.
I want to give you reply to this.
1.You say that there was not a single word,that Jesus said iam God or worship me.
2.You said word christianity is not there in the bible.
3.Zakir naik says the word bible is not there in the bible.
What will you do if i prove to you all the above.Will you accept christ as your saviour?
First of all i have to tell you that Jesus(pbuh) is respected in Muslims.
We never say anything wrong about him. Because we believe in him and we know that Jesus(pbuh)never did any mistake. It was the church who made a mistake.
Jesus(pbuh)according to Muslims is one of the mightiest messengers of god and was born miraculously.
Hi Ahmed,
May i know what is the mistake that they have did
Just think why they have to create a religion and why they will create that christ was crucified?It was prophetically fullfilled.God was not hiding himself somewhere,right from the begining he is giving a promise and fulfilling it.In old testament,it was prophecised by father anf fullfilled in new testament.Nothing for the church to create.
Say if the church alone created this(lets assume).How come famous historians also bare witness for christ crucifixion?
Go to google type “Historical record for christ not crucified”.In the first page itself you dont get any material ,out of millions of websites.
1.Just think yaar,why he is called as “Messaiah”(Saviour) if he is just a prophet only for Israelites?
2.Why shud he born miraculously,if he is only for isralites and that too a prophet?
In the human history,after adam,only jesus is the one born miraculously.Why shud he be born that way?
Bible clearly said that God manifested in flesh.it makes some sense right?
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1. Jesus(pbuh) is not god. He is the messenger of god.
2. God doesnt need to become a human to know how human feels.
3. Jesus(pbuh)never said he was god,the people at his time think he was god.
4. I believe that Jesus(pbuh)was born miraculously and that doesnt meen he was almighty.
5. Jesus(pbuh)never said to praise him but to praise his Father(god)
6. Jesus(pbuh)was never crucified, and was never killed. But god almighty raised him alive and Jesus(pbuh) will come before the end of human kind.
Ok, we believe when the people wanted to kill Jesus (PBUH), God told him that he will be raised to the sky alive, so Jesus (PBUH) asked his friends: (who will agree to look like me, and he will go to heaven?) so one of the men agreed, so God made this man look like Jesus (PBUH) and God raised him to the sky. And he will come back before the end of the human kind. So the people who crucified this man thought that he is Jesus and he wasn’t.
That’s simply the story.
And about his miraculously birth: he is a prophet and prophets have different miracles.
Even if it is written in the Bible ( I am god, worship me), what guarantees that some parts of the Bible is not fabricated? Even the church changeed some rules of Christianity! They say the world is changing. But the true religion does not change. The New Testament is written by who?
Did God write it?
Hi SO,
What is the proof that it is Gabriel who delivered Quran?He might be Devil and dressed like an angel,as said in the bible.
See for our surprise ,the Quran confirmed the old scriptures.
When we see the old scripures,God gave us 66 books written at different times,at different places yet they maintain complete harmony and agrement with the overall doctrine.
Say Quran is the 67th book sent by God.But if we pick the odd one out,then it will be Quran,bcos our God doesnt agree that the Old scripture was fabircated.Only Satan says that the old revelation was corrupted.
Allah said in Quran that he sent Quran and Guarded it. He also said that He sent Torah and Injil.That means he proptected the Torah and Injil also.When we read Torah and Injil in the bible,it totally Contradicts the Quran.
Also you shamelessly use verses of bible saying that Muhmad mentioned in Gospel of John,where we dont even smell the Quran,as its not even partially the word of God.
New testament was written by the Disciples and prophets apponited by Christ,
God told that i will put my words in his mouth.What ever Jesus uttered,was recorded by these prophets.What is the proof you may ask.History accepts jesus cricifixion.
Go to google type “Historical record for christ not crucifed”,you will not find anything in the first page it self,out of some millions of websites on the W3C.
ONly one Song you have to Sing that is Corrupted..corupted..You have to say that the bible is corrupted,even the historians are also corrupted,because they doesnt agree with Quran.Only 1 Book is not corrupted i.e; Quran?
Also the numerous prephecies (countless)in the new testament too like the old testament,were happening right now.if its a man written document,then ow can they write all these?
Also bible predicted 600yrs before that A person will come bringing the Gospel from n angel,and he will deny the Sonship of Jesus and he will deny that Christ manifested in flesh,and says that he is just a man.And bible tells to reject this person or spirit of antichrist,which is not of God.Gave the above clues to identify.
Exactly after 600yrs,Islam came,where muhammad brought the book from n angel(not sure that it is gabriel.no proof)and he denied sonship of christ and also denied that jesus was not manifested in flesh.This was recorded in new testament only.How can man know this except there is God’s inspiration?There are still several prophecies only pertaining to Islam in endtimes.
Hey you have to think the other way around.You have to ask,why the prior 66 books of the bible are in complete agreement and why not the Quran.
If you use probability,there is more proof for the claims of the bible than Quran,historically/prophetically.
Bible clearly mentioed that Satan himself dresses like the Angel of light.
So please study the old scriptures atleast the Torah and the Gospel of John,where you say that muhmad is mentioned,you would come to christ for Sure..
Thanks,
“Allah said in Quran that he sent Quran and Guarded it. He also said that He sent Torah and Injil.That means he proptected the Torah and Injil also.When we read Torah and Injil in the bible,it totally Contradicts the Quran.”
Allah said in the Quran that He will guard the Quran until the judgement day. But He did not say that He will guard the Torah and Injil. Read about Mohammed’s (PBUH) miracles and you’ll know that he is a true prophet and he is saying the truth.
God doesn’t need to become a human to know how human feels, and He does not need to be humble so that people worship Him.
And do you think there is a slight chance that the true Bible have been fabricated??
Allah also said that the people of the Bible are the closest people to Muslims.
Also: what do you think of Gabriel? He was mentioned in the Bible for what?
Hi SO,
Thanks for accepting that Allah only guarded Quran and he didnt say that he will guard the old scriptures.Is he a reliable God now?is he a perfect God.
But our great God Yahweh wont agree that his previous scriptures were corrupted.
From the beginning,he never hide himself somewhere,or spoke in secret.What ever he promised,prophecied,he fullfilled.This is our God.
See the verse below.
Isaiah 48:16
“Come near me and listen to this: “From the first announcement I have not spoken in secret; at the time it happens, I am there.” And now the Sovereign LORD has sent me, with his Spirit.
See from the beginning God didnt hide anything.He is telling us the things that will happen in the future,he sent prophets to tell these,also warning us to not accept false prophets,by giving criteria also.There were 100′s of prophecies till date .May be some 500 i guess,happended and happening.This is the True God,we can believe him.
Allah and yahweh are different.Allah sent Quran alone and Guarder it.Yahweh sent bible alone and he guarded it.
Now lets see the probability..You say that the last revelation is Quran from the same God.
For ex:bible has 66 books.Lets assume that 67th book is Quran.
Quran totally contradicts kicks all the 66 books,whcich is just one book written only from one source muhammad.
Now lets see the biblical books.Bible was written by 40 prophets of God ,written at different places and different times.Different places means that prophets born at different places.Different times means continuation of prophets one after the other sent by God.And still all the 66 books are in complete agreement and compatible fully,all the doctrine in it taught the same.
Now if we pick the odd one out,then it is Quran.
Also for your info logically think this.
In Quran Allah said that he sent a warner to every community and he sent scripture.
In haddits he says there were 1024 prophets and 343 messangers sent to earth ,prior to muhammad and he sent books.
By name Quran mentions 25 messangesrs and 4 books(Torah,Zabur,Injil and Quran)and there were more.
Can you produce any 1 single book on the face of the earth ,whcih is fully compatible with Quran?I mean to say that if he claims to be the last messanger,there should be atleast one book earlier ,which shud be compatible with Quran.You cant in your life time or else till judgement day,produce atleast one book,which agrees completely to Quran,atleast the basic doctrine.Now again you have to sing a Song all the books sent by allah are corrupted?is there any logic?or is it reliable to your heart?
See if you want to seek the truth i will explain you in detail..for now,iam stopping here.
I can give answer to your other questions also but Got bored of typing the same again and again to all.See if you want to really seek the truth let me know..i will take risk to type and explain you..
But if you are with an attitude to win over me or to spred Islam,then its waste of time.rather you have to consider in your mind that you want to seek the truth and shud take this as a friendly online discussion,present your points and analyze..
God gave each of us reasoning and logic. From that we deduce our conclusions. If He willed, He would have made us all submitters to Him, like the angels.
People just can’t keep it in them for long that jesus is god and they become atheists. That is why today the number of atheist in america are growing, because your invention does not make sense. The atheist have material to beat on people who believe in god because you have given it to them, believe that just does not make sense, bible that is altered and full of contradictions. Shame on you. A healthy mind just can’t digest that.
jesus pbuh is only a man, a prophet of God, mary pbuh is the best of women, and Jibrael pbuh is the highest of angels but still an angel. Peace be upon them all and from what the unbelievers have associated them with.
To you is your way to us is ours. We won’t believe what you believe and you will not believe what we believe. To you is your way and to us is ours.
Hi N,
I have no anger on muslims or Muhammad.
All muslims even Muhammad was innocent because he believed that it was Gabriel who delivered the Quran,and made his job rightly.
It was Satan who deceived you.
Dont say shame on you saying bible has contradictions.
In 31309 verses,you gave some 101 contradictions,which are silly or misunderstood.But in Quran just 6000 verses,we gave more than them and you give some reply to make Quran right.
One point i want to mention.With out bible ,Religion Islam is a Big Zero.For you to claim that Muhammad is the Last messanger,bible is the base for you because as per Quran,Jesus is the last but one messanger and Adam is the first prophet.These are mentioned elsewhere except bible prior to Quran.So for you to claim muhammad is the last messanger Bible is the base for you or else it will become a new religion.
Also you use Bible verses to prove that Muhammad is mentioned in the bible You dont have shame.not we.You say partly bible is the word of God,but we wont even smell Quran,The whole is not the word of god.You will use bible as you like.For proving muhammad,u use bible.To portray Islam you say bible is corrupted.You use it as you like.You dont have shame.Not We.
Only Satan says that the word of God is corrupted.Not god.And i read few suras,and found out that the Goal of the last messanger is to Kick the jews and christians and the previous revelations.
Jesus is God manifested in flesh,and he is the Son of the Living God and he was crucified for all the mankind.
Thanks,
This is for Pure.
1) God almighty doesnt have any image but Cristians make image and praise god.
2) Cristians believe Jesus(pbuh) to be God, where as he is the messenger.
3) You Cristians will not agree to muslims because you dont want to.
4) There are actually 1000’s of mistakes in Bible and Almighty god never makes a mistake.
5) Jesus(pbuh)never said he is god or to praise him.
6) Jesus(pbuh) clearly said “My father is greater than I”(which means God almighty is greater than everyone)
Hi Ahmad,
A reply to your conclusions
1.We dont believe that God has image.He is Spirit.We dont make any images and praise him.
2.You Quran teaches that Jesus is only a messanger .No other book on earth teaches that.Pick the odd one out.i.e Quran.
3.Same with you you wont agree christ too,because of Quran.
4.There were no errors or mistakes in the bible.Our bad luck is with the debate with campbell,Zakir naik raised several points,where campbell was unable to give the reply,and hence it appeared that there were errors in the bible.But in so many sites,we have answered all those so called errors and also the big christian apolegetics now are inviting him for a debate but he is not accepting at least one.If he accepts the debate,now we are waiting for a chance to Prove.In India also there is one person named Jayashali,he chalenged almost all the anti-christs in the world,also challenged Zakir naik.But he was not accepting.see now if Zakir naik agrees to it ,then we are ready to prove the authenticity of the bible.
*****Bible is the only book no the face of the Earth which has scientific facts mentioned 3000 yrs ago,and countless prophecies till date happening.For your information,even the formation of the arab muslim countries and how will be the staus of those countries was even mentioned in bible
***Where as in Quran,no miracles of the Prophet ,nor any prophecies to believe.Only thing you use to prove is the scientific facts.And do you know of that scientific facts most of them are already in the bible and other sources before christ?Then what is the greta in the Quran and the Prophet?INfact there were several historical and factual errors in the Quran.
5)In the bible jesus clearly claimes divinity,and to worship him.We already proved it.
6)Yes the father is greater in position,but not in essence or nature.
***You cant understand because you dont want God to be atleast like humans.I mean yu are two persons.ie spirit and boby which includes mind.But you dont want God to be atleast like you.He shud be ONE in person.
**Secondly as your prophet didnt do any miracles,your thinking level will be like any normal person,who doesnt believe in God or miracles.
**Thirdly as your God didnt lay life for you,your love towards others will be also moderate.
Thanks,
This is for Pure
(am answering ur questions but u dint answered mine.)
Answer to ur allegations
1. You said you Christians dont believe in image and dont make images, All of us know that Many Church contains pictures and images and idols of Jesus(pbuh)and mary.
2.Quran doesn’t teaches, it tells the fact that Jesus(pbuh) is not god but messenger. And God almighty knows everything about human because he created humans. so why he will come in the form of a human.
3. Not only Because of the Quran but because of the Bible also it is confirmed that Jesus(pbuh) is messenger of god. Nowhere in the Bible Jesus(pbuh) said “i am god”
4. In your 4th point you agreed that bible has errors. I believe that bible was the book of god, but the present Bible is manipulated by human work. So i dont belive present Bible to be the word of God.
5.In 5th point you said Jesus(pbuh) claimed divinity but brother you failed to give quotations from Bible where Jesus(pbuh) says Iam god or Worship me.
6.According to Bible all human beings are son of god, so the non logic fails. Jesus(pbuh) is a normal son like we all humans. Even Prophet Mohammad was the son of god because he followed what almighty said to him.(pbuh)
God almighty cant take human forms because humans are like monkeys who dont have brains.
So God created monkey but he doesnt need to take a form of monkey because he knows far more than the monkeys themselves.
……And you said Prophet Mohammad(pbuh) dint do any miracle, the biggest miracle was that he wrote Quran and everyone knows he was an Illiterate. So how can an illiterate pass an MBA without any errors……and brother for your kind information Jesus(pbuh)also dint do any miracle. It was god who made Jesus(pbuh) without any father.
The biggest joke according to bible is the human beings which were created by god were punishing god almighty…..lol
Hi Ahmad,
Answering your Questions..
1.. “You said you Christians dont believe in image and dont make images, All of us know that Many Church contains pictures and images and idols of Jesus(pbuh)and mary.”
***Those were catholics.Not christians.Both were diferent.They worship mary too,which we oppose.
2.”Quran doesn’t teaches, it tells the fact that Jesus(pbuh) is not god but messenger. And God almighty knows everything about human because he created humans. so why he will come in the form of a human.”
****Thats what iam saying you are speaking as though a new comer.And this proves that he is not the last messanger,because all the previous revelations including bible,teaches this.All the world scriptures except Quran teaches this.So this proves he is not the Last messanger.Thanks for once again confirmed this with your ignorance like your false prophet.Show me any religion on earth that doesnt believe this faith.
DO you know what does it mean by last messanger?Yours is a new religion created by Satan and Muhammad is his messanger.Thats why he says all the previous God’s scriptures have been corrupted.and also all new concepts regarding basic doctrine.
3.”Not only Because of the Quran but because of the Bible also it is confirmed that Jesus(pbuh) is messenger of god. Nowhere in the Bible Jesus(pbuh) said “i am god””
***Jesus christ clearly said he is the Son of God,and that he was manifested in flesh,and also that he asked to worship him just like the father,and finally claimed divinity.
If this is the case,why didnt jesus didnt reject when calling him God and Lord,when jews called him as Son of God and when they worshipped him.This is a reverse challenge for you.Show me a single verse in the bible where Jesus rejected any of the three.Iam assuming you know bible.
4.”In your 4th point you agreed that bible has errors. I believe that bible was the book of god, but the present Bible is manipulated by human work. So i dont belive present Bible to be the word of God.”
Do you have an eyesight or what?I didnt agree we have errors,but i said because Campbell was not that much knowledgeable it appeared that bible has got errors.But there were scholars who already proved that no errors and also challenged zakir naik.BUt your guru is not accepting now anybody.
5..”In 5th point you said Jesus(pbuh) claimed divinity but brother you failed to give quotations from Bible where Jesus(pbuh) says Iam god or Worship me.”
****I will answer this seperately in the next slide so that you wont ask that again nd again.
6.”According to Bible all human beings are son of god, so the non logic fails. Jesus(pbuh) is a normal son like we all humans. Even Prophet Mohammad was the son of god because he followed what almighty said to him.(pbuh)”
Again iam challenging.No religion in the World or no previous revelation teaches this.This again confirms that he is not the last messanger of God.
7.”……And you said Prophet Mohammad(pbuh) dint do any miracle, the biggest miracle was that he wrote Quran and everyone knows he was an Illiterate. So how can an illiterate pass an MBA without any errors……and brother for your kind information Jesus(pbuh)also dint do any miracle. It was god who made Jesus(pbuh) without any father.”
****Yes as per Quran he didnt do any miracle,but Satan made him to do a miracle by deliverign Quran.Even i think muhammad is innocent because he thought that he received from God and did his Job.NO proof if its Gabriel.lol..
8.The biggest joke according to bible is the human beings which were created by god were punishing god almighty…..lol
**Father God sent his only Son for the remittance of the Sins of Mankind.This was prophecied in old,new testaments and also in Hindu scriptures.Also historically there were so much record.Now lets pick the Odd book out.i.e;Quran.Iam assuming you know what hindu scriptures speak.If not,then tell me i will show you the verses.
You are saying biggest Joke..Now we are laughing at you because you act as a new comer and that your religion is a new religion,because you are amazed that God comes to earth in Avatar..because all the previous revelations which are religious in the Earth believes this.This is you proving he is not the Last messanger…LOL..
Satan told you this new facts in your book and also it told to believe you that all the previous scriptures on earth were corrupted.Also importantly other than Quran,every religion believes for sacrifice of something for the remission of Sins.Either shedding of blood,or going to some place and or going to river ganges to immerse 3times etc..But satan didn’t even prescribed you anything(fooled you that nothing is required),because it wants you to go to hell immediately as you die.
LOL…
This is for Pure
1. So go and tell your own catholic people not to do so, I mean go and make your people come to track first then come to other religions.
2. In this point you are confused, iam saying that God almighty doesnt need to take human form to make human understand what they have to do.
Suppose if i make a computer or a cockroach then i dont have to become a computer or a cockroach to know about them.
And Islam is not a new religion it is from the time Adam(pbuh) stepped onto this Earth.
And for your kind information Jesus(pbuh) teach Islam to his people. The word Cristian doent exist in the Bible.
And if the Quran was written by satan then how come there are no errors and contradictions in it. While Bible was corrupted and manipulated by human work thus it contains thousands of errors and contradictions. So the real satan is the cristian people who changed gods words.
3.You are the biggest fool of yourself, I said there is not a single verse where Jesus(pbuh)says he is god. And you are again telling he said that he was son of god. Yes i agree that he told he was son of god but not god. According to bible Adam(pbuh) is son of god and all dead people are sons of god.
4.In this point you are trying to hide your religious books errors and failing to give proofs.
It doesnt matters whether William Campbell fails or passes in giving answers but the errors cant be justified they can only be hidden.
Zakir naik cant meet every cristian of the world for debate.
You cristians are afraid oh him that is why these excuses are common among you.
5.This point you dint say anything.
6.In this point i dont understand what are u trying to challenge?
7.In this point you said there is no proof about Gabriel talking to Prophet Mohammed(pbuh), In the same way there is no proof he dint talk to the prophet.
Also there is no proof Mother mary(pbuh) dint touched a male or had a sexual intercourse with a male. May be she was telling a lie hiding the father of jesus(pbuh) nouzbillah.
8.Ahhhhh man.
One time you say jesus(pbuh) as son and another time you say him God almighty or a spirit. First you decide yourself what you call him, a spirit,son,god or all three of them.
Still you dint prove how can a human punish God almighty or even a gods son.
It is like am creating a rat and rat is making me hold on A CROSS with nails on my hands. This remains the biggest joke.
Th god who created the universe cant even save his son or himself…..hahhahahahhaah
Hi Ahamad,
1.How many sects where there in islam?you are asking me about catholics?
2.God didnt come to know human feelings,to save human kind,from their Sins.This was said in all the religious books prior to Jesus,only Quran lied.
3.Jesus said he is almighty God in rev1:7.Also you cannot show a single verse in the bible,where jesus didnt rekect him calling God/Son of God,or if anybody worshipped him.You are fool as you totally depend on Zakir naik i guess.
4.There were no errors in the bible at all.Only a misunderstanding of those.
***What is there to boast in the Quran iam not understanding.
You have to ask this question if the Quran is really a risk barer
There were no prophecies at all in it,to point errors in that segment.it just took no risk.Also if we see any miracles in the history thru prophet?Answer is No.
Also if we observe,it avoided all the statements which bear risk.Ex:
reg Noah’s flood,the time was also mentioned i bible.But not in Quran?whats the fear to mention?No risk taken and asking to show errors.
No Miracles,no prophecies.Only thing you show to prove Quran is Scientific facts.
And if we observe there,already many of the scientific facts told in Quran are already mentioned in bible,and in other sources of Greek works BC.
–>Iam asking you whats great in Quran?
There is a proverb saying hat “Job is Man’s feature/symptom”
Like wise prophecy should be Prophet of God’s feature /Symptom.
IN torah,in Deut 18:18.19,the verses you use to prove this is about muhmad,states or gives test for a prophet,i.e;if a prophet prophecies and it doesnt take place,he is not from God.
With the above regard,muhmad is disqualified as a prophet,he uttered none,done no miracles like moses.
5.)regarding Jesus diety,i forgot to answer.i will answer in the next slide.
6.)You dont understand some things because you understand only what zakir naik tells and what questions he has been asked.
7.)No proof that its actually gabriel.But we have proof that its not gabriel.Because gabriel is the one which says that Jesus comes to earth to save mankind,which all other religions except islam agrees.So odd one out i.e;Quran
8.)Jesus is Son of god .not a spirit.If he is Son of God,then he shud be God.
Yahweh god is 3 persons coeternal,co-existent from the beginning.Means Jesus is Almight too.
Jesus is Son of god and God .THis even other religions like hinduism agrees.Quran no.
Do u say that My father is a man but iam not a Man as iam his Son?
And father sent his Son
Jesus Sent his Son for remission of Sins,it was his plan for the salvation of mankind.you cant understand this..Even jesus can save himself,but he has to die as prophecised in the Old testament,it is the will of God.
Thanks,
This is for pure
Reply to your first 8 answers…
1. Again you are asking questions about Islam, First go and make your Cristian Catholics believe that God almighty doesnt have images and not to worship any idols.
2. You said “God didnt come to know human feelings,to save human kind,from their Sins”
Why dint he came at the time of HITLER who killed 6 million Jews to convert them to Christianity.
3. In this point you gave me a verse “rev1:7” but you failed to give quotations from the verse.
4. In today’s world no one will believe in miracles…..so Bible will fail.
But everyone will believe in Scientific facts in Quran and not on stupid miracles like Bible says.
5. This point you dint answered.
6. I dint understand what are u trying to say,
Zakir naik is nothing in the topics……He says what the Quran and bible says.
7. In this point you said “gabriel is the one which says that Jesus comes to earth to save mankind”
Still no proof…its only a saying in corrupted bible or edited by Human Beings.
8. You said If Jesus(pbuh) is son of god then he shud be god.
According to bible all the dead man are also son of god….that doesn’t mean all dead people are Gods!
You said “Yahweh god is 3 persons”
How foolish is this….
firstly god is one not 3
secondly god is not persons
thirdly god is god and not a spirit or human or anything.
He is never seen, and no one knows how god looks like.
Nowhere in the hindu scripture Jesus(pbuh) is mentioned as God or even prophet.
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Reply to your second 8 answers
1. John 5:22-23 says he is son of god. This verse is telling that to honor a son is to honor a father. That doesnt mean he said he is god. Even a child can say it.
2. In this point you are trying to proof that jesus(pbuh) says he is son of god.
I never said he is not the son of god….every one who follows gods will is a son of god
That is why Islam says you must do according to the will of the Father(Allah)
3,4,5,6,7 and 8 Non of this points proof jesus(pbuh) saying to worship him and to say him god.
PLEASE BE LOGIC AND THINK BEFORE YOU COMMENT STUPID POINTS.
Hi Ahmad,
OK you want where in Jesus directly said iam Son of God, worship me,and that he is God,a verse from bible.Good question.
That means you agreed that indirectly there were verses where Jesus said iam God worship me,and that he is the Son of God in the bible.So u cant fully confirm that Jesus never claimed divinity in the bible.
Before answering your question,
I am asking you a same Question.If jesus himself didn’t claim that he is the Son of God,and worship him or didnt claim that he is God,then Jesus should reject any body calling him God,or Son of God,or if anybody worship him.Jesus didn’t reject any of the three.
1.Jesus said to worship him equivalent with the Father
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***Jesus also demanded that his followers worship him as God in the same way that they worship the Father:
“Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son JUST AS they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.” John 5:22-23
Jesus does not say to honor him as a prophet, but rather to honor him just as one would honor the Father.
****Also,
“But when the chief priests and the teachers of the law saw the wonderful things he did and the children shouting in the temple area, Hosanna to the Son of David,’ they were indignant. ‘Do you hear what these children are saying?’ they asked him. ‘Yes,’ replied Jesus, ‘have you never read, “From the lips of children and infants you have ordained praise?”‘” Matthew 21:15-16
Amazingly, Jesus applies to himself Psalm 8:2 where Yahweh is seen as receiving the praise of infants and children!:
“O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! You have set your glory above the heavens. From the lips of children and infants you have ordained praise because of your enemies, to silence the foe and the avenger.” Psalm 8:1-2
Jesus is therefore claiming that to praise him is to praise Yahweh God! The only way for this quotation from Psalms to count as valid justification for Jesus not to forbid, but to confirm and encourage the praise of his own person from those children, is the assumption of his identity with Yahweh God.
***still
And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word. And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, AND WORSHIPPED HIM. Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me. Matthew 28:8-10
This is just one sample,where Jesus received worship,yet he didnt reject it.
2.Jesus Claiming Son of God
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Already i showed you in the above verses where jews tried to stone Jesus because he claimed to be Son of God.Also when peter said it,he didnt reject that.
Also below is the direct verse.
John
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father [is] in me, and I in him.
Jesus Saying I am God
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From the above conclusions,where
1.Jesus wanted to worship him
2.Said that he is the Son of God
3.He said he will Judge(only God should)
4.He said he will forgive Sins.(only God should)
5.Also he said he will answer prayers(only God should)
6.Also said that he will dwell with you along with the father(only God should)
7.Also said that what all the father can do ,he can do.(only God should)
Thats why due to the above claims,like you now how you are getting angry right a man claiming all the above,thats why they crucified him,saying he blashphemed.
Also in john 20:28,And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.
While on Earth ,he took human nature and humbled himself till the Death as the will of the Father God.BUt once he was raised to heaven he said
Rev 1:7,8
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Here Jesus didnt reject him calling God.
From all the above,Jesus did claimed divinity
Thanks
To Ahmad,
A challenge to you..
You say in bible we have Sons in tons right.
Show me in any book on the face of the Earth,or any prophet,or any other Son in the bible or outside ,saying
1.Honor the Son just as you honor the Father
2.That he Should answer prayers
3.That he Should forgive Sins
4.That he Should be Worshipped and he shud not reject
5.That he should not reject calling him God,Son of God.
6.Any prophet who would claim that What all the father can do ,he should do.
Show me any prophet or,you say tons of Sons right .ok show any other Sons,claiming the above,i will come at your feet or i will accept Islam
Also show me any other book on the face of the Earth,which Allah garded other than Quran,proving that he is the reliable God,i would come to your feet,or accept islam
I mean,God gave bible of 66 books written by 40 prophets of God,written at different times,different places,yet all the 66 books preach the same and are in complete agreement and harmony.Like wise iam just asking show only one book on all the books of the Earth,which is fully compatible with Quran.I would come to your feet and accept Allah is a reliable God and Strong God.
If you cant,then you are lying your self or better wear sarees or go to road with slogans saying that My God didnt guard any other book except Quran.He is trustworthy like that.
Thanks,
Pure
To Pure
You said “”Also show me any other book on the face of the Earth,which Allah garded other than Quran,proving that he is the reliable God.””
Yes scientific books which are based on only proofs not on hypothesis are compatible with Quran.
Just read and understand the book in the link below.
http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/quran/qms.pdf
Thanks.
Abdullah Khan,
Iam not asking the science ,where it doesnt agree God.
Iam asking the books whcich Allah sent,before
He said in Quran,that for every community he sent a warner ,and he sent book.By name 4 were mentioned.In haddits it was said that he sent 1024 prophets and 343 messangers on earth before Quran.
I want from these books?Actually what are those books?
Allah told that “We sent Quran and we have Guarded it”.
Like wise just before 600 yrs he said that he sent Injil?Where is it?And didnt he guarded that?
Thanks,
Pure
To Pure
If you don’nt no nothing about Quran OR Islam then don’t tell lies about it.
1,23,999 prophets(messangers) were sent to the earth before Quran .and what do you mean by prophets and messangers. Both are same.
NOW come to your question and challenge.
Question:
“””” show me any other book on the face of the Earth,which Allah garded other than Quran””””
Answer:
You know why Torah was revealed by God to The Prophet Moses (P.B.U.H.)
because Zabur was corrupted by people of that time
Now another question arises that why God didn’t save his book ?
the answer is that God gave the responsibility of protection of Zabur to Prophet David (P.B.U.H.) and Prophet David (P.B.U.H.) was not able to protect a book after his death because he was a human.
the same case was with the Torah which was also corrupted by people of that time and God then revealed Injil to the Prophet Essa (Jesus) (P.B.U.H.).its protection responsibility was also given to the Prophet Essa (P.B.U.H.).
the same case was with the Injil which was also corrupted by people of that time and God then revealed Quran to the Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.).its protection responsibility was taken by God himself that now he will save it from corruption till the last day.
Now search all Quran present in the world are exact same and God is proving his promise.
but all prophets didn’t protect their respective books because they all were just human s.
Question:
Why God didnt protected his all books?
Answer:I think you will definitely agree that the whole world is of God and everything in the world are of God .now a simple question why God doesn’t save his innocent people on the earth while they are killed.
there must be 2 reasons
He cannot do this
OR He dont want to save them
and i know that you will say that God can do anything so the 1st reason is not right.
The same case is with all previous books that God didn’t want to save them.
the reason is not that God was not able to save them.
And God can do anything what He wants.He is not answerable to anyone.
tell me if (according to you) God is REsponsible for the protection of his all books then a simple question
if God protected Zabur then why Torah was reavealed
and if God protected Torah then why Injil was revealed.
it has only one reason that God didn’t take the responsibilities of all his books.
But in Quran God said that now he will save it from corruption. and you can check that by yourself that there is only one version of Quran and in its original arabic language.
another point
Christians believe that Bible is the book which was revealed by God to the Prophet Essa (P.B.U.H.)and Muslims say that Injil is not present on the earth or its been corrupted
because its responsibility of protection was given to the Prophet Essa (P.B.U.H.) and he was a human like other Prophets.
another point:
you said
“”””Allah told that “We sent Quran and we have Guarded it”.
Like wise just before 600 yrs he said that he sent Injil?Where is it?And didnt he guarded that?””””
so quote me a verse where Allah said that I have sent all those books and he will protect them.
He just took the responsibility of Quran and not of all other books.
Their responsibilities were on their own respective Prophets.
One humble request
please don’t try argue with common Muslims because now a days some muslims don’t know Islam .If you have any question on Islam Just go to a Scholar(Mufti) of Islam because the issues are not so simple that can be solved by giving comments like that .these issues can only be solved by one to one argument between two well qualified scholars.
One thing about that what all I told you above
that tell me this and tell me this .I was not meant to actually tell me and comment here
I meant that go search for these answer and read all this again and again. and then keep those answer with you because I don’t want to start a long argument .May be you understand if you read below
Thanks.
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Please Dont make argument on such pages which have religious, political and any another type of material because argument on internet does not solve the issues
Challenge to all people of the world
Show me a single example of an issue which has been solved through giving argument, comments on the internet
This is not a way of solving issues but making an issue more difficult to solve.
Thanks
Hi Abdullah,
If your above answer is really convincing to your heart than its ok up to you..
As per what you said,
1,23,999 prophets ,their messages have to be corrupted ,and hence God sent Quran.
No book which Allah claimed that he sent before,agree Quran that means,all the prophets are fools and Even God as per your view.Its ok if its convincing answer for you..Go ahead..
God of the Bible and God of Quran are completely different and opposite.This thing you cant understand until and unless you read bible and understand it and check for its authenticity..
Bible in the New Testament delared before 600 yrs that a man would bring gospel from an Angel,and you shud reject him.
Also said that he would deny Sonship of Jesus
Also said that he would deny Jesus manifested in Flesh.
gave the above criteria to test the spirits whether they are from God or a spirit of (anti-christ).
Exactly after 600 yrs,islam fullfilled it.
I just want to say Islam is just one of the many Anti-christs in the World only to deviate from the Salvation that God made possible thru Jesus for all the mankind,as prophecied in the bible.
How could humans tell all these before,without the inspiration from God?
Ask your conscience it will say you.Read all other religious books too and also Bible and then you decide what your conscience says..if it still says that Islam is a God’s religion,then its up to you..
Thanks
Pure.
To pure…
You claim:
No book which Allah claimed that he sent before, agree Quran that means,all the prophets are fools and Even God as per your view.Its ok if its convincing answer for you..Go ahead.
Answer:
. It makes sence to Abraham since its his religion and his childrens religion and way we follow. Not worshipping other than one. Even Jesus did not claim godhood ( Satan wants you to believe he is a god so you can worship others beside god end therefore join him in hell) Or are you saying that you dont believe in satan and his determination to corrupt the books?? Its not God or the prophets that are the fools. you are the fool for beliveing the lies. You are the one following the antichrist. If you look in the Quran for something that comfirms the way of the trinity, then this is not campatible with the religion of Abraham or the Quran thats why it does not make sence to you. This is the answer and its fully compatible with the Quran and the earlier books. It only depends on the eyes that analyse it. You want to believe the lies. So in that sence the Quran will never agrre with worshipping other than the one true god or agree with the corrupted view of the truth like a mangod. Since muslims sees the Quran as the explainer of truth. Wo follow the religion of Abraham. And that is not to worship but one. which way do you follow??
Realize,
We believe God is ONE.But he is infinite.
You are two persons,spirit and body ,with mind,and you dont want God to be atleast like you.Bible clearly teaches trinity .Even Jesus says that Baptize in the name of the Father ,Son and the Holy Spirit.And in several places he says what all God can do ,he will Do.THis statements in the bible,where Jesus says that i can do what all Fathe does,
satan wants you to believe you that they corrupted.See we cant understand God completely because he is not finite being but infinite being.If you cant analyze or understand the trinity,or if you are unable to implant in your mind,then try this.
try imagining one God simultaneously hearing all the prayers,simultaneously existing in all the places ,simultaneously reading all the hearts of all and getting into some conclusion.Can you try to fix it in your mind?Same way trinity too.Even it was said in old testament also.
Prov 30:4,and in many places.
And if we believe in anti-christ,there is some sense for us,but for you is there any sense?The Quran which made limited Jesus to be only a prophet for Isralites and using the terms like anti-christ,Messaiah etc..And one who is born miraculously.
We too worship one God who is triune being.ONE god only.
Thanks,
Pure
To Pure..
Yes I am created as we all are. I have a soul/spirit which God created and my body is my temporary vessel. The same is for all created beings. But God/Allah is the Creater. There is no need to define the infinate/creator into parts like that of the created. Remember. There is noone like the creator. You cant compare. nothing is like him. God is the all independent. Ie he is independent of being explained in parts or being in parts or even a form like us. That goes against the words of Abraham and all his followers because they did not explaine God into parts but merely one and only. Its the bible or the corrupted/misunderstood part of it which claim that Jesus is the begotten son of god (astagfirrullah). The bible is muslim if you read and analyse with the right eyes. Islam was the religion of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaak etc. Because their religion was of submitting to gods will. Judaism is a religion for a specific poeple. Christianity is named after those who followed Christ. Islam is the religion of those who submit their will to Allah. We dont call ourselfes muhammadins. Moses and Jesus are muslim in that sence. They are muslim because in their covenant and acts they only worshipped/submitted to the one and only creator. And the religion chosen for mankind is the religion of submitting oneself to the one and only creator/islam. Jesus did not create. He is created. So the standpoint of muslims is that we are not a new religion from that of Abraham, Moses or Jesus. But the devil has let you astray since even Muhammad is mentioned in the Bible/gospel/newtestament and the Torah/oldtestament. and if you want i can get the proof for that from the bible and from the torah. even in your own books you have to follow Muhammad who is that last prophet since he fits the prophecies in your own books. Just bare with me and i will get you some facts from your own books that you hopefully would study. The idea that islam is something totally alien to that of Abraham and Jesus I really dont know where you get that from.
to pure
There is a lot more points/prophecies I can come up with, but here is just a few:)
Again and again Jesus said that he was sent to the world only to give as much guidance as the people of his own time could bear. As for complete teaching which would stay forever with mankind, he said:
But the comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (John 14-26)
Only the prophet of Islam could have fulfilled this prophecy of Jesus. Muhammad was truly sent in his name because he bore testimony to his truth. The Holy Quran says:
The Messiah, son of Mary, was a messenger, “surely messengers like unto him had passed away before him” (The Holy Quran 5:76)
The Holy Quran reports that the angels told Mary:
Surely Allah gives you good news with a word from Him of whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, worthy of regard in this world and hereafter. (The Holy Quran 3:46)
The Holy Prophet testified to the truth of Jesus as a divine and honored Teacher and Prophet, and declared them mistaken and misguided who thought him accursed. The Holy Quran described his teachings as “guidance and light .”Further elaborating the same prophecy, Jesus said:
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will sent him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment. … I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. How be it when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak.. and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you. (John 16:7-14)
This prophecy clearly lays down that:
The Comforter will come after the departure of Jesus.
When the Comforter comes, he will reprove the world of sin, truth and justice.
He will guide the world into all truth.
The book revealed to him will contain no human word.
He will foretell things to come.
He will glorify Jesus and clear him of all charges.
Now when we take this prophecy point by point, it is unmistakeably proven that it applies to none else but the Holy Prophet Muhammad saws. He came after Jesus. The Comforter was supposed to reprove the followers of Jesus. Obviously, he could not be a Christian or a Jew .The prophecy must relate to one who would belong to another people but should respect Jesus and promote reverence for him. The Holy Prophet was neither Jew nor a Christian. He was an Ishmaelite. But he defended the honor of Jesus. Thus says the Quran:
[The Jews] slew him not, nor crucified him, but he was made to appear to them like one crucified, and those who differ therein are certainly in a state of doubt about it: they have no definite knowledge thereof, but only follow a conjecture; and they did not convert this: conjecture into a certainty; on the contrary, Allah exalted him to Himself (The Holy Quran 4: 158)
Here the Holy Quran specifically says that Jesus was saved from that accursed death designed for him by his enemies. However, they only suspected that they had succeeded in crucifying him. But Allah had not only saved him but admitted him to the circle of His favored ones.
Of the promise, “He will show you things to come”, we need only say that no prophet has told the world of things to come as much as has the prophet of Islam.
The prophecy said that “he shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that he shall speak”. This description can only apply to the Prophet Muhammad. The New and Old Testaments do not contain a single book in which man’s word has not been mixed with God’s. The Quran is nothing but the word of God from beginning to end. Not a word even of the Prophet is to be found in it.
When Peter appeared before the people of Jerusalem, his words were: “Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you”. John starts one of his conversations with “I, John, who am your brother”. On the same lines we read the utterances of Philip, James and others in the Bible.
About the Holy Prophet, the Quran says:
He does not speak out of his own desire. It is naught but revelation that is revealed. (The Holy Quran 53:4-5)
The prophecy had said: “He will guide you unto all truth”. Again Muhammad was the only prophet who claimed to have brought a universal and perfect law. The Holy Quran says:
Today We have perfected your religion for you and completed Our favor upon you. (The Holy Quran 5:4)
How clearly has the prophecy been fulfilled in the person of the Prophet Muhammad in all of its details. Sometimes an unsuccessful attempt is made to dim the glory of this marvelous prophecy by claiming that this Comforter was the Holy Ghost who came after Jesus to his disciples. One wonders how this claim can be harmonized with the fact that the person foretold in the verses is described with the pronoun “he,” which could not possibly refer to a spirit. Then, was not the Spirit of Truth supposed to come only after the departure of Jesus? Should it be then assumed that the Holy Ghost was not with Jesus ? Obviously no devoted Christian will accept this assumption. One can also inquire where that truth is which is not found in the New Testament but was later brought by the Holy Ghost.
To Pure 🙂
Verily We have sent to you a Messenger (Muhammad), who is a witness over you, even as we sent a Messenger (Moses) to Pharaoh. (The Holy Quran 73:16)
The Lord thy God will raise unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me, unto him ye shall hearken. (Deuteronomy 18:15)
And again, God’s words to Moses:
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass that, whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. (Deuteronomy 18:18-19)
It is evident from these verses that Moses foretold a Law-giving Prophet who was to appear after him, and who was to be from among the brethren of Israel.That he was to be a Law-giver and not an ordinary Prophet is obvious from the words “like unto Moses”, since Moses was also a Law-giver. The promulgation of “a new Law” means the initiation of a new movement, a new nation. A prophet with a new Law is obviously no ordinary teacher or reformer. He has to present a comprehensive teaching, incorporating fundamental principles as well as detailed rules.
Was Jesus such a prophet? Was he a Law-giver? Did he bring a new Law into the world to replace an old one? The answer, in his own words:
Think not that I am come to destroy the Law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto You, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law, till all be fulfilled. (Matthew 5:17-18)
And the followers of Jesus went so far as to declare:
And the Law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law. (Galatians 3:12-13)
Jesus laid no claim to a new Law; his disciples regarded the Law as a curse. It was the Holy Quran which announced from the very outset that:
This is the (complete and perfect) Book, there is nothing of doubt in it. It is a guidance for the righteous. (The Holy Quran 2:3)
The prophecy also said that the Promised One was to be raised not from among Israel but from their brethren. Muhammad was from the brethren of the Israelites, the Ishmaelites.
It also told that God would put his words in his mouth. The New Testament gospels do not consist of words which God put in Jesus’s mouth. They only tell us his story and what he himself and his disciples said and did.
The Holy Quran, on the other
Verily We have sent to you a Messenger (Muhammad), who is a witness over you, even as we sent a Messenger (Moses) to Pharaoh. (The Holy Quran 73:16)
In short, one thousand nine hundred years before the advent of the prophet of Islam, Moses declared that his own Law was, in the divine scheme, not the last Law; that the world was to have a fuller Law later on; and that, for this God would send in the latter days another Messenger of His. This Messenger was to teach all truth; it was he who was to mark the last stage in the spiritual advance of man. The world had to wait for another book and another Prophet.
If, therefore, the Quran and the Holy Prophet have come after the Bible and after the Prophets Moses and Jesus, and if they claim to have come from God as guidance to man, their claim must be treated as just and true. It must be taken as the Fulfillment of ancient prophecies. The revelation of the Quran was not a gratuitous revelation, a redundance in the presence of other revelations. Indeed, if the Quran had not been revealed, promises made by God through His messengers would have gone unfulfilled, and the world would have become afflicted with doubt and disbelief.
Divine Light From Paran
The prophecies of the Bible had even led its followers to that part of the world where the great Prophet was to appear. Thus it was said:
And he said, the Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; and shined forth from Mount Paran and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them. (Deuteronomy 33:2)
In this verse Moses is promised three manifestations of the glory of God. The first of these appeared on Sinai in the time of Moses. Time passed. The second manifestation promised in the prophecy was to take place at Seir, a part of the world near where the miracles of Jesus took place. “Rising up from Seir,” therefore, meant the advent of Jesus.
The third manifestation of divine glory was to take its rise from Paran, and Paran (Arabic Faran) is the name of the hills which lie between Mecca, the birth place of Muhammad, and Medina, the town where he died. According to the Old Testament, Ishmael, the ancestor of Muhammad, lived in this part. Thus we have in the Bible:
And God was with the lad (Ishmael): and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer. And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran. (Genesis 21:20-21)
Historical and geographical evidence shows that the descendents of Abraham lived in Arabia. All of them held Mecca and Kaaba, the house of worship built by Abraham, in great reverence. His son Ishmael first settled in Mecca. Genesis gives the names of twelve sons of Ishmael including two named Tema and Kedar. (Genesis 25:13-16)
To Realize,
Would surely think and investigate the points you gave.Thanks for elobarate,to the point explanation.Let me study them and come up with my objections if any.
Thanks,
Pure
THIS IS FOR PURE
PURE, YOU ARE ONE OF THE STUPID PERSONS I HAVE EVER TALKED TO BECAUSE YOU NEVER TALK IN LOGIC AND BASICALLY BELIEVE IN COMPETITION. MY REQUEST TO OTHER PERSONS IS THAT BEWARE OF THIS IDIOTIC PERSON AND EVEN IF JESUS(pbuh) COMES AND TELL HIM THAT HE IS NOT THE MESSENGER, HE WILL NOT BELIEVE HIM.
THANKS.
Salam ualeikum Ahmed.
I will agree with you Ahmed that if she stil after recieving proof turns her face away from the signs and reject the truth then yeah she would be kinda stupid. But saying that I dont think she is so stupid in the end. I think she is a seeker of knowledge who is trying to understand. I hope that God will guide her to the truth. You have to remember that she propably her entire life have been brainwashed with a certain doctrin or belief. So when you discover your entire faith are pillars of lies its hard to swallow in the beginning. Dont underestimate her. I think she will be a future sister God willing. Its not a coincidence that she keeps coming back here. In time when she is ready she will recognise the truth and thereby save her own soul Inshaallah. And inshaallah the jihad you have seen her doing for christianity she wil continue it but not for christianity or the church, but for islam!!! Therefore everybody reading this plzz make a Prayer with me. Oh Allah, listener of prayers. You are the true guider. plzz guide this pure, and make her mindset pure. Let her realize and let the truth enter her heart, mind and soul. For you alone Allah are the listener of prayers and the guider to the truth. So take her mind and turn her away from ascribing anything or anyone with you. let her see you as one and only. And let her accept islam as all the messengers accepteted it before. Amin
CORRECTION
THIS IS FOR PURE
PURE, YOU ARE ONE OF THE STUPID PERSONS I HAVE EVER TALKED TO BECAUSE YOU NEVER TALK IN LOGIC AND BASICALLY BELIEVE IN COMPETITION. MY REQUEST TO OTHER PERSONS IS THAT BEWARE OF THIS IDIOTIC PERSON AND EVEN IF JESUS(pbuh) COMES AND TELL HIM THAT HE IS THE MESSENGER, HE WILL NOT BELIEVE HIM.
THANKS.
Sala´m ualeikum
Here Ahmad.. I bet you that you did not know this 🙂
Jeremiah 8:8
How do ye say, we are wise, and the law of the lord is with us? look the false pen of the scribes have made it into a lie.
To AHMAD,
YOU ARE THE BEST ZAKIR NAIK LICKER I HAVE EVER COME ACROSS.YOU DONT HAVE LOGIC AT ALL OR YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU BELEIVE CORRECTLY.YOU ARE THE STUPID PERSON THAT I EVER CAME ACROSS.EVERY BODY LIKE REALIZE AND DANIAL WEE HAVE GIVEN ME SOME GOOD ARGUMENT SO THAT ITS WORTH READING THEM.BUT YOU ARE THE WORST AND THE BEST STUPID PERSON IN ISLAM I GUESS WITH NO KNOWLEDGE.JUST REPEAT WHAT ZAKIR NAIK SAY.
ZAKIR NAIK GAVE A BOOK TO AHMAD AND ASKED TO READ,THEN AHMAD SAID IAM A STUPID.SO ZAKIR NAIK HAS PUT THE WORDS IN HIS MOUTH.HE REPEATED OVER THEM.
YOU ARE THE PROPHET AND ZAKIR IS ANGEL.
LEARN FROM REALIZE HOW HE IS GIVING HIS ARGUMENT WITH PROOF POSITIVELY.ONLY THIS SORT OF ARGUMENTS WILL LEAD US TO TRUTH.AND I LOVE DANIAL WEE.HE HAS BECOME MY DUDE..
Thanks,
Pure
THE CHRISTIAN SAID JESUS WAS A SACRIFICE FOR MANKIND. CAN SOME ONE JUST ANSWER THIS QUESTION. IF JESUS WAS A SACRIFICE FOR MANKIND WHY DID HE DIE IN THE HANDS OF HIS ENEMY.THE ROMANS AND THE JEWS. THIS KIND OF SACRIFICE SHOULD BE DONE BY PEOPLE WHO BELIEVED IN HIM, THEN THE SACRIFICE WILL BE WORTH WHILE. IMAGINE YOUR ENEMY SACRIFICING YOU WHEN GOD WANT ABRAHAM TO SACRIFICE HIS SON GOD ASKED ABRAHAM HIMSELF AND HIS SON AGREED. ALSO THE CHRISTIAN SAID HE IS GOD. WHY THEN HE DID NOT KNOW THE HOUR OF JUDGEMENT WHEN THE DISCIPLES ASKED HIM. WHY DID HE MENTIONED THAT HE ON HIS OWN CANNOT DO NOTHING. HE DOES EVERYTHING BY THE WILL OF GOD.
Hi AZIZA,
See the Torah.The whole 5 book speaks about the Sacrifice required for Sins.Previously it was for goats,sheep etc..But it was God’s plan that he gave himself s a sacrifice for the Sins of his people.
If you read the stories of NOAH,Sodomah Gomorah,you will notice that god is not bearing Pepole doing Sins and he destroyed them.Then God in order for him to accept them,he ordained the shedding blood of Goats,sheep etc..Still the people were sinning and it grew larger.Now with this criteria,tell me who can go to Heaven in the present day,where the Whole world is FULL of Sin.No body will be eligible for Heaven.So it was God’s old plan that he would save his people from the addiction of Sins ,by giving himself as a sacrifice and save his people.
Mathew -1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save HIS people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Lets go to what Prophet Isaiah says..
isaiah 53:
5 But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he opened not his mouth.
Jesus (Yahweh God the Son) finally defeated death and satan by giving himself(Holy one) as a sacrifice,so that who ever believes in him will have everlasting life.
Isaiah:9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isiah prophet 700 BC wrote the above.
Today in the World jesus is called with all the above titles and we worship him.You need to understand the Love of the God towards his children.
Immediately after this,Jesus and the apostles warned that many false prophets would arise who would deviate from this Gospel,so that they may not receive salvation that God made possible through his Word(Jesus).
In the bible if you read it carefully,God didnt do atleast a single thing,without intimating before thru the prophets,so that we may believe the true Spirit of God.
“yahweh is God of all flesh”
When Jesus took the flesh,he has a God.in the Human nature he has a God.So that why he said that i can of my self do nothing,but he also said what ever father does,he does like wise.This is not a, normal claim not a mere prophet could claim this.
In position father is greater than he but both share the same essence and nature.
After he ascended to heaven ,in the Book of revelation in several places Jesus declared the he is God.
rev:1:7-8
5 And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Hope i answered at least a few of your doubts.
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