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I like Ahmad deedat, but i must say that this tape is dissapointing. I would have liked that he sticks to the topic of muhammad(pbuh) in the bible. People use this tape as a resource for their religious research and there is a huge deviation from the topic.
My response to this is that mohamed is Dead and buried.
And he has no athorithy over the living or dead people nor over the angels. Jesus has this athorithy. AND THIS IS WRITTEN in the BIBLE,
Let this may be very clear. At the END of this world Jesus will APPEAR VISIBLY to all. So Mohamed wont appear.
Why Jesus will appear is written in the book of revelation of the bible
first of all, Prophet Isa Jesus may the blessing of God be upon him (a,s.w)never say he is God, and Islam says prophet Isa (a,s.w)Jesus is coming back as a muslim to redirect and correct those who take him Jesus as God which is not the case.You can not compare prophets of God and determind which one is greater or less when you are a mere human you are not in any position these prophets should be honored and respected our job and what they ask of us is to follow their message and not to bring ranks among the prophets of God God says the human should worship nothing on earth in the sea but him alone this is the universal message brought by all prophets of God worship none but one God bro/sister people of the book may Allah guide us right ameen!
sister…do u think jesus z not alive now???
Hello Delphina,
Jesus(peace be upon him) is one of the mightiest messengers of God. But he himself is NOT God.
“Verily, the likeness of Jesus in God’s Sight is the likeness of Adam. He (God) created him from dust, then (He) said to him: ‘Be!’-and he was” (Quran 3:59).
“Say: We believe in God and (in) that which has been revealed to us, and (in) that which has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Jacob and the tribes, and (in) that which was given to Moses and Jesus, and (in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord. We do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit.” 2:136
“Say: “God is Unique! God, the Source [of everything]. He has not fathered anyone nor was He fathered, and there is nothing comparable to Him!” (Quran 112:1-4).
The Quran also states:
“Such was Jesus, the son of Mary; it is a statement of truth, about which they vainly dispute. It is not befitting to the majesty of God, that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter, He only says to it, ‘Be’ and it is” (Quran 19:34-35).
Muslims do not believe that Isa (A.S.), also known as Jesus by Christians and others, is dead or was ever crucified. We believe that he was raised to heaven and is there, and will descend at the appointed time, end all wars, performs prayer with Muslims and bring peace to the world.
After his descension on earth, Hadhrat Isa (A.S.) will marry. He will have children, and he will remain on earth 19 years after marriage. He will pass away and Muslims will perform his Janaza Salaat and bury him next to Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam).
Actually there is no evidence even for the resurrection of Christ that Christians claim, so probably Jesus was crucified and never came back to life since even the resurrection story in each of the Gospels contradict each other(such as matthew contradicts luke, and luke contradicts mark, basically none of them can keep their story straight) also the only evidence for the resurrection was given by Jesus’ disciples, hardly unbaised sources!!!
To Neelam and ex-christians
To Neelam'”
Everything that you wrote is a GREAT LIE. These things is not WRITTEN in the Quran. Why do WRITE this? You dont have to answer to people about your action but TO GOD. Remember that HE is the JUDGE of ALL MENKIND AND ANGELS.
To ex-christian’/
The evidence can only be seen ,or anything of the spiritual WORLD, if GOD opens your EYES (spiritually)
You dont have any connection with GOD, whom you cannot SEE, how than can you understand something about the resurrection of JESUS> FIRST SEARCH FOR GOD.
Our SOUL is DEAD, BECAUSE OF THE SINS.(ALL EVIL AND BAD THINGS)
Thats WHY we need JESUS. He can makes OUR SOUL also ALIVE. BECAUSE HE IS ALIVE> BECAUSE HE IS ALIVE, SO WILL BE ALIVE AFTER DEATH.
Can you all UNDERSTAND THIS??????
If you follow someone else than JESUS than there is no HOPE at all for a ETERNAL LIFE. BECAUSE you can this only BY BELIEVING IN JESUS.
THE PARADISE is for the LIVING not for the DEAD ONES.
You can become ALIVE (this means your spirit) through JESUS.
Thats why HE SHOW as an EXAMPLE that DEATH has no POWER over HIM.
Lets be honoust with OURSELF first than we can be also honoust towards others.
KEEP searching the truth. Otherwise their cannot be any connection with GOD at all. You only can reach GOD by the truth.
Bye
Hey Delphina:) Its not a lie. Quranexplorer.com Read the quran for yourself. look for surah/chapter Mary since in the quran Mary and Isa´s/Jesus family is mentioned more than Muhammad pbuh himself. And on halaltube khalid yasin a former christian gives an extraordinary speech about the subject which is called the purpose of life. being a muslim translated simply means to surrender yourself to the will of the one true God/Allah. Al=The and Lah= something which is worshipped. So Allah or Elah in hebrew simply means the only one who truly deserves to be worshipped. That is his name. The one who is worshipped/Allah. So tell me what is the lie about worshipping the one true God?? Islam is the religion of those who seek the creators will and not their own. Ie we are called muslims. Use your reasoning wich God gave you and decide for yourself. but I really think that you owe it to yourself that you research it before jumping into conclusions. You owe it to the one true god to research it therefore read the Quran which means the book which is recited. And may God guide us and make it easier for our hearts to accept the truth from among his true servants.
DELPHINA,
Everything you say is A LIE!!! Jesus never calls himself explicity GOD in the bible, in fact that garbage you say about how our soul is dead and everyone is born into sin is an invention of PAUL NOT JESUS! Jesus never said we are born into sin, it was an invention of Paul.
Nowhere in the four gospels did Jesus explicitly state that he would die to save mankind from sin. When approached by a man who asked what he could do to gain eternal life, Jesus told him to keep the Commandments (Mat. 19: 16,17); in other words, to obey God’s Law. To a similar question put to him by a lawyer, as recorded in the gospel of Luke, Jesus told him to love God and his fellow man (Luke 10:25-28).
The role of Jesus is made clear in the Quran where God says:
“Christ, the son of Mary, was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him…see how God doth make His Signs clear to them, yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth†(Quran 5:75)
The mission of Jesus was not, therefore, to set up a new method of achieving salvation, much less the founding of a new system of belief; as even the Bible points out, Jesus sought only to take the Jews from their emphasis on ritual back to that of righteousness (Mat. 6:1-8).
Hallo Gary,
First You need to clearify for yourself what is the TRUTH.You yourself didnt read the BIBLE and are just babbling. Get the knowlegde first than try to talk about this, OK
Eiter the BIBLE is THE WORD OF GOD or an RELIGIOUS BOOK of this world. The BIBLE is the ONLY BOOK THAT is CALLED the WORD OF GOD.
Every PROPHET OF GOD said CLEARLY that they got their message from GOD PERSONALLY and not by ANGELS.
Angels give a message if GOD orders them to go to ONE person.
But PROPHETS must TELL the message of GOD in PUBLIC towards every MEN and WOMAN and CHILDEREN.
THe difference is that the message that are BROUGT by the PROPHETS were for the HIGHEST LEVEL till the LOWEST LEVEL. That means EVERYBODY. From the King to all the habitants of this earth. The Prophet knew EXACTLY what they have to tell, because GODS SPIRIT WAS IN THEM.
So are chistians told also to be led themself by the SPIRIT OF GOD. And not by teachings of this world. They recognised the BIBLE immediatly as the truth, because GODS SPIRIT is in them.
So dont be misled by your own mind or any Religious Book.
Because our mind can also not descern this by itself.
There is a lot of confusion nowadays in this world concerning the Person Of JESUS.
God HIMSELF gave the DEVIL the order to do this, because they dont want to LIVE by the truth.
They know the truth but are not willing to live by the instructions that GOD gave.
So the Devil let them live like mad men. Look nowadays so many
evil things. It seems that bad peoples are more in numbers than good peoples. But God knows how to Handle this. Like in the days of Noah, GOD first rescue the ones who are RIGHTOUS and than destroys bad peoples.
So no one can have any excuse that they dont know that the BIBLE is the TRUTH. It is clear that the BIBLE is the TRUTH.
There is a lot of things that is not understandeble to the mind but that doesnt mean that it isnt the truth. The only mysterie here is that why someone tries to attack the BIBLE. To us its NOT A mysterie. We know why.
I know for a fact that ten years i didnt understand nothing about pc, but since 2004 i understand how to handle a pc. So God is the one who gives the understanding of something. He know WHEN he gives something.
Also the thing written in the BIBLE.
Its also at school. You cant tell a child to understand the things of high school, while he still is gathering knowledge from the primary school.
So Gary, where are you in your education????
Dont get me wrong, but try to understand this.
Its pointless to discuss about something that is yet not clear for the mind.
Bye,
Delphina
Be quiet Delphine
Delphian,
Your posts I believe are the answer to many of my questions I honestly just refound my faith and that was after I had a visit from Muhammad or the name given to me that night was achmed Ishmael and he had a bone chilling touch he only made me feel like he wanted something and told me his name but not with words then I was under the understanding he would be back in three nights and he was this time wanting me to make a choice what that choice is I’m not sure but I have been thru some hardships in the last just over 2 yrs and he gave me a thought that I had to change someone’s mind as well but thereason I’m reaching out to you specifically is because your name as also gave to me and in a positive sense like your somehow connected to them I had never knew the name or anything about this profet and I’m hoping you may be able to help me better understand why he’s looking for me to make a choice, I’m afraid it has to do with all the ugly I’ve seen in the just over 2 years and him being a messenger of peace and blessings of God are the first hope I’ve felt since my hole began I’ve been spinning deeper and deeper only while trying to climb back out of
Assalamu’alaikum
Hello Delphina, here I just want to give you some perspectives about how do we the moslem believe in Jesus. If you try to read our holy book AlQur’an you will find there are many verses which explaining about Jesus and the misconception that the christians is having right up till now.
I really expect you to check for some of this verses from our Qur’an:
1. Maryam(Ch.19) 16-36
2. Al E Imran(Ch.3) 59
3. Al E Imran(Ch.3) 45-51
4. Al Baqara(Ch.2) 87
5. Al Maeda(Ch.5) 72-75
6. An Nisa(Ch.4) 157-158
7. Al Baqara(Ch.2) 136
8. As Saff(Ch.61) 6
By reading and contemplating it you will see that we Moslem see Jesus in the way that :
1. Jesus Christ was given birth from Virgin Mary with the divine word “Be” and she was not an adulteress as the Jews claim.
2. We, Moslem believe that Jesus Christ, son of Mary is a prophet and messenger from Allah (SWT) and we believe that he is one of the Messenger of strong will and the quranic image of Jesus is profoundly better than the biblical one, as he is held in honor in this world and in the hereafter, dutiful to his mother, not harsh to her as the bible claims, blessed everywhere while it was mentioned in the bible that he described the non israelites as dogs.
3. Jesus is innocent of the falsehood saying that he is God, he is neither a God nor the son of God. But he was created by the divine word “Be” by which Allah created all His creatures.
If scientists are able now to get a living creature without a relation between male and female using cloning, isn;t Allah able to create Jesus and thousands of other creatures without a relation between male and female?
4. Jesus Christ was neither crucified nor killed, if you read An Nisa(Ch.4) 157-158, you will see how Allah saved him by raising him up unto Himself.
In II Kings 1,2 it was described how the whirlwind took Elijah up to heaven. If you believe in this why then you don’t believe that the same thing also happened to Christ.
Thank you.
Hallo Rashid,
I dont know why you are quoting something from the Quran to deny The Devintity of JESUS CHRIST> The Quran cannot LIMIT the Power of JESUS. Nor any other Books nor the Darkness.
HIS DEVINITY cannot be doubt by just some Quotation from the Quran. I myself know for a fact that JESUS is GOD.
Otherwise I never would BELIEVED in HIM> Because I dont accept no teaching of men. Only from GOD. Understand.
Because no other PROPHET has ever used their OWN NAME to heal the sick, or do wanders, or make the dead man walking like JESUS.
This was all done BY JESUS and ALSO the CHURCH OF CHRIST do these things IN THE NAME OF JESUS. Because Jesus has COMMANDED His followers to do these things in HIS NAME.
Havent you ever heard that in the NAME OF JESUS people can set be free of the Devil?
Well, only HIS name is recognised in the SPIRITUAL WORLD. EVERY ANGEL AND THE DEVIL himself accept HIS AUTHORITY, Because they know what the power of JESUS is. People CANNOT SEE this because of their UNCLEAN SPIRIT.
Our SPIRIT is DEAD and therefore cannot sense or see anything from the Spiritual World. In the Name Of JESUS we can be reborn. (our spirit)
We only see with the EYE of our FLESH. Inside we are dead.
Jesus can make us ALIVE. Because HE IS the LIFE.
You must only notice what HE said.
He said this about HIMSELF>
He is the LIFE, TRUTH, RESURRECCION, LIGHT OF THIS WORLD, HIGH PRIEST, HIGHTEST AUTHORITY, WAY to PARADISE, ADVOCATE OF MANKIND and many more things
He also said that HE WILL COME BACK.
If this ALL do not clearify your mind than begin to ask yourself the Qustion: how can i know this for a fact?
Because i didnt became a christian because other preeches me.
I became a christian because Of my PERSONAL relationship with JESUS. I know for a fact that Everything that is written in the BIBLE is THRUE because of my EXPERIENCE of JESUS.
SO i am not a BLIND BELIEVER>
Because Jesus let me see things, If HE was a prophet than HE couldnt have reached me. If someone dies than he or she cannot have ANY CONNECTION with THIS world. Even NO PROPTHETS at all. But JESUS can and HE is INVISIBLY doing things that even the toughest person are changed by HIS PRESENCE in this WORLD. Thats astonishing.
Rashid, if you had BEEN given the opportunity to see His MIGHT than you would have thougt otherwise. But to see whats happening in the spiritual world is given to them who TRULLY are seeking for GOD>
God knows everything about any person here on earth. So If you are willing to understand the Truth than He will let you see this.
JESUS IS THE TRUTH. You can believe in HIS WORDS.
Everything in this world is collapsing little by little, and without Jesus there will be chaos.
He must come back to restore it. NO ONE CAN DO THIS. NO ONE HAVE THIS ABILITY>
Everybody is trying to do their utmost best to make this world a better place, but are failing everytime.
Every Prophet have tried this and no succes at all. Even the church does what they can do in the NAME of JESUS,
> But there have been always war and deseases, so many disasters and other problems that no one can solve.
Well , what does this World need the most. SOme one who only talks but cannot do something about it. Or someone who actually have the power to do something about it.
Draw your conclusion to this question and you will find the answer just like that.
Bye Delphina
to dhelpina:
I have questions for you.
1. You said that the Bible is the word of God. Can you cite any verse from the Bible that Jesus himself said that the name of the book is Bible and that it is the word of God.
2. You said that Jesus is God. Can you cite any verse from the Bible that Jesus himself said that he is God, the almighty, the father as you claim?
3. According to the principle of trinity. Do you believe that Jesus and the Father and the Holy Ghost are ONE in PERSON? Meaning Jesus is the Father and Holy Ghost? Holy Ghost is Jesus and the Father? Father is Jesus and Holy Ghost? Otherwise if you believe so, who was acting as God for the three days that “God” (Jesus the Son & the Father and Holy Ghost)died on the cross? If “GOD” died for three days, meaning DEVIL was the one controlling the Universe and everything good and bad were in his command.
4. If you believe not that Father, the “Son” Jesus and ther Holy Ghost are ONE in PERSON, then they are different personalities. What can you say that there are several sayings in the bible that He prays to the FATHER as prophet asking for many things.
Thanks
ali
Dear Delphina
I quoted some of the verses from my Qur’an so that you could have some understanding about how we Moslem believe in Jesus. Because the purpose of this disscusion is that we both could have understood and respect each other in term of concept of our religion. And I am not trying to make you revert to Islam or anything, I am just trying to make you understand and know about the truth from Islam perspective.
And I also don’t understand why you keep saying about the coming back of Jesus . You don’t need to explain to us about that coz we Moslem also believe that his coming as one of the signs of the Judgment day as well.
In Islam, Jesus will come back again for some purposes:
1. He will clarify to the Jews that he was not killed or crucified.
2. He will kill the false messiah known as Dajjal in Islam and anti-Christ in christianity.
3.He will claim himself as our prophet (SAW) followers.
4. He will deny the christians as he never asked them to be worshipped.
And if you read your bible Matthews Ch.7:21-23, it is said that those who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Note: Not Jesus’s will but his father’s will.
Also it is said that on that day you all come to him but he’ll say to those who always says in the name of Jesus.. “I never knew you.,away from me you evildoers!”
So in this we moslem also could ask you the same question, are you really ready for the day of judgment? are you ready to be denied by Jesus?
Delphina..I want you to really think about this, to get or to find the truth, people need the right guidance.
In Islam we have Alqur’an as our guidance no one could challenge, change add or delete its contents because Allah has promised to preserve the Qur’an untill the day of judgment also The Qur’an provides all answers to all questions to guide the mankind to be saved in here and the here after.
While if you read carefully your bible, 100% you will get confused which one right or wrong, and there are many contradictions in it. So how could you be so sure that is the right guidance for mankind. even the bible doesn’t have a very clear information about the resurrection of Jesus..how come when that is one of important doctrine in Christianity. e.i: You believe that Jesus will be resurrected just like the miracle of Jonah after 3 days & 3 nights. You also believe Jesus was crucified on Friday..and on Sunday morning Mary Magdalene went to the tomb of Jesus and it was empty. From that friday to sunday morning,,do you really think that was 3 days & 3 nights?
And there are more contradictions you could find in your bible. so how could you belive that this is the right guidance for you and you even claim “Everything that is written in the BIBLE is THRUE”. Do you really think you are not a blind believer?..
Here I am not asking you to read Al Qur’an but I want you to really try to read carefully your bible? I am sure you will find many contradictions in it and confusing informations.
Thank you.
`Hi Rashyid,
If someone has to testify about their belief than it must be COMPLETELY the TRUTH or NON AT ALL.
It is never GOOD to get half or LESS the TRUTH about a BOOK.
You Muslim and also non believers are talking about contradictiries or falsefied and changed verses about the BIBLE. But I never heard you all say I HAVE READ THE BIBLE. You just quote things that is known for centuries.
First of all, When JESUS say something, He let US (menkind) know before it happens. THE RESERRUCCION OF JESUS was already FORSAID by MANY PROPHETS.
Everything that happened, when JESUS was VISIBLY here on earth, were just FULLFILLINGS of THE OLD TESTAMENT.
NO NEW THING AT ALL>.
The Jews knew exactly what the PROPHETS said about the MESSIAH. THEY only couldnt accept the fact that JESUS came for OTHER PERPOSES than their OWN PERPOSE>
They understood that the MESSIAS, when He will appear, HE will FREE them of the ROMAN EMPIRE at that time.
But that wasnt the case at all.
So thats why they were waiting for that to happen. It did happened WITHIN THE PLANNING OF GOD. They didnt had the patience to wait FOR GOD. The result was they collaborated with their ENEMIES against JESUS. After this, whom they collaborated with, had destroyed THEM and JERUSALEM.
This ALSO was already forsaid by JESUS.
THESE STUFF BELOW were already said to/by the Prophets.
the supernatural BIRTH of JESUS
the First COMING OF JESUS IN FLESH
the RESERRUCCION of JESUS
the Promise of the Holy Spirit of GOD. (GODS SPIRIT lives in
people who believes in the NAME OF JESUS)
the DESTUCTION of the Holy CITY Jerusalem
the RETURNING of the Jews tho their OWN LAND
the Coming of the ANTI CHRIST
the RISING and FALLING of the ROMAN EMIRE
the PERSECUTION of the Followers of JESUS CHRIST
the GREAT TRIBULATION, in this period of time there will be
tremendous pain and suffery.The one who escapes this are
very lucky,
God does things in HIS OWN WAY. Because HE has MUCH MUCH HIGHER TOUGHTS than our own narrowminded understanding.
He let People know what HIS PLANS are FOR THE NEAR FUTURE. Thats WHY he let the PROPHETS KNOW about HIS plan. Because ALL in HIM is LIGHT and RIGHTOUSNESS.
Also the one, in whom dwells the SPIRIT of GOD, is given the understanding to know things of their own future or things from someone els their future. But no-one can FORTELL the FUTURE. Because its in GODS HANDS what will happen with this world and with our own life.
If we dont understand HIS WORDS than HE does things in our minds that will be able to understand it.
SO Rasshyd, its up to GOD what HE does with someones life.
Dont try to make someone understand the things of GOD,
The knowledge of the TRUTH is already WRITTEN in the BIBLE.
And to understand this is in GODS HANDS.
The BIBLE must be ACCEPTED TOTALLY or NOT. NOT only BITS and PARTS of PASSAGES.
Or its the WHOLE TRUTH or NOT. But GODS own CARACTER is already KNOWN. No one can be comparred with HIM.
If the Christians are talking about JESUS, then they are talking about the FULL PERSONALITY about JESUS.
HIS TOTAL BEING A HUMAN AN BEING A GOD.
Dont try to understand this because it will again bring a discussion in what your MINDS tells you to understand about this information.
Our mind is corrupted with selfrightousness and is full of filth. Thats why we cannot see things CLEARLY.
Its like a miror. When the miror is clean than you can see all CLEAR. If our INSIDE is CLEAN like a miror than we will see things CLEARLY. So the BIBLE is a CLEAN MIROR. To see what is written OUR (spiritua)EYES must be OPENED by GOD.
Our tasks is to become CLEAN inside and become GOOD and HOLY like OUR GOD WHO created us. How this can HAPPEN is ALSO written in the BIBLE but you dont accept the BIBLE. So how then you will achieve this???????????
Let our mind be busy with things thats important for our ETERNAL LIFE. Everyone has this responbility. The temporary things are just means and not the PERPOSE OF OUR LIFE.
Also its written in the BIBLE.
First we have to seek HIS KINGDOM OF RIGHTOUSNESS and than everything that we need or pray for, HE will provide for.
So we neednt be worried about anything if we do what GOD had told us to do. Thats the way how to have a peacefull relationship with GOD.
Bye
Delphina
You contradict yourself several times. Like who is your god, jesus, god or yourself? You said you need to cleanse yourself and become holy like a god? Your no where near being half a prophet. Your just a mere human being with some ideas in your mind. You are still provoked by greed, hate, revenge and will likely be subdued by the devil at any time and commit a sin.
You have your religion and we have ours. That is also a verse from the Quran.
Tolerance is a must but don’t go around acting like a messiah when you can’t even consider someone else’s religion. It’s hypocrisy.
Hallo Rashid,
The part that you wrote that the BIBLE have contradicted and confusing INFORMATION, i ONLY can response by telling you and all that is trying to understand the things written in the Bible, dont try to explain ANY verse of the BIBLE>
If someone does this than first of all he wont be able to do that and second of all that he will have to ANSWER to GOD and NOT to any PROPRETH OR CHRISTIANS OR JEWS.
Because the BIBLE is not THEIR concern but GODS concern.
You can read that also in the BIBLE>
Again, dont go to anyone else if you have any doubt about the BIBLE but GO DIRECTLY to GOD. You know as well that this is not possible because you need first to FIND HIM. And if you read the BIBLE, than you would have known how to FIND HIM.
So its pointless to fight against the BIBLE UNTIL you FIND GOD FIRST.
Good luck.
Bye
Delphina
Dear Delphina
For my understanding, the Bible is a book of guidance that supposes to lead its readers in doing his or her things so that he or she will be saved in this world and the here after.
Therefore, if your god is so great and just, have you ever thought why he gave such a complicated book to his people to be taken as guidance. Even, you said that it’s impossible for people to explain about the context in it unless if you have experienced the truth.
So now consider if there is a truth seeker coming to you, would you ask him to experience Jesus first before you explain him about what is your religion about, who is God, what are God’s intention in us, what are the important concept in Christianity, what is resurrection, crucifixion ..and so on and so on?
Delphina, you see..this is not a logical way for people to understand and accept something. And I am absolutely sure that God the Creator, He is the one who is exactly know about how His creation thinks; works; understands and absorbs things as He the one who creates. Therefore, He absolutely will not give us a guidance which leads his creation to confusion.
This is why I call you a blind believer previously; you accept and absorb everything in the bible without questioning it,have you ever asked to yourself whether you are giving all of your support and loyalty to the real Truth? and based on what you claim that as the Truth? How if after all things that you’ve done to Jesus but Jesus himself will reject you? What make you sure that you are worshiping to the right one? Have you done some research about your faith thoroughly? Or you just accepting what the priest told you by using the name of Jesus? Do you know the history of Christianity, who found it and since when Christianity accept Jesus as God? Is it ok for you if the human decide Jesus as god instead of Jesus himself? Or maybe Christianity teaches you not to ask ..just believe. Coz the smartest in human cannot be compared to the silliest of God, based on Paul’s doctrine.
Delphina.., we all got brainwashed and programmed since we were child, now we are mature enough to see the world and to search our own way. I am not blaming you if you have skeptical thought upon Islam. Coz the Christianity have been programmed; taught and trained to think the worst of Muhammad (SAW) for centuries however all of those informations; doctrines and teachings are totally wrong!
Moreover, have you ever realized whose teaching that you following up to now. You adore, love and respect Jesus but how much do you know about him because most part of your bible was Paul’s teaching not Jesus. So you all have been programmed by Paul not Jesus. And have you done a research about Paul before? how come the converted Jews Saul becoming Paul and wrote more Books of the Bible than any other single author, whereas Jesus did not write a single word.
In Michael H Hart book The 100 or The Top Hundred or the Greatest Hundred in History. Paul outclasses even Jesus because, according to Michael Hart, Paul was the real founder of present day Christianity.
Well if you really a strong believer, I urge you to do some research about the Christianity and the bible history. See..by doing this it will benefit your own, in one way it will be your journey to get the real truth and if you find that the Christianity is the real truth it’ll give more faith for you in Jesus.
As I said before we are all got brainwashed, therefore now we need to seek for the source of the truth which’ve been brainwashing us. Ask yourself what makes you think the way you are thinking and talk the way you are talking.
In my case, I have tried to read and understand your bible however as I said to you the bible raised more questions in me and most of those questions are no answers for them and the Christianity claimed as a mystery which are God concerns not us while the bible is supposed to be guidance for us.
Once again I ask you to consider all that you have read. Even read it again and think about it. Allah in His mercy is still reaching out to you to come to His TRUTH.
Thank you.
Hallo Rasyid,
First of all I began to believe in JESUS when I read the CHildren BIBLE. Everything in ME has accepted JESUS. I wasnt teached by no christian church how and why to believe In JESUS>
No teachings of chisitianity has influenced the WAY i THINK or FEEL.
Thank GOD for that. It was my OWN choice to FOLLOW HIM.
Most of my Family are Muslim. But also their are some christians in my Family.
The people I met later in my life have been talking about JESUS, and my reply to them were that I already knew ABOUT JESUS. So I went at the age of 17 to a congregation of JESUSBELIEVERS and at the age of 20 i have been baptized in the NAME of GOD THE FATHER. SON and HOLY SPIRIT.
Thank GOD i made my choice out of my heart, soul and mind.
JESUS is my LIFE. Without HIM i maybe have ended like a ROBOT or A programmed Person who cant think for itself.
No on the contrary, the teachings of Jesus made me aware of the spiritual things by making my spirit ALIVE>
By nature we are spiritually DEAD. We have only BODY and A SOUL. But the TRUE life is given by JESUS> HE make our spirit ALIVE> THAN we can sense what is happening in the spiritual world. So in the world of GOD and all the angels and the fallen angels.
This is very beautifull. Because i see the diffenrence of my life before i met JESUS in my life. Do you think i want to trade this for the cheap life of this world. Everything can be bought but LIFE cant be bought. This is what JESUS has to offer. Another thing is that he also offers a life after death. For NOW he also offers to heal the sick, free us from the demon., doing miracles. etc.
Above all HE promised to take care of us in our JOURNEY to PARADISE> SO no FEAR of the DARKNESS DAYS of our LIFE.
Rashid, who do you FOLLOW. Mohamed isnt able to give us guidence to paradise. Jesus is the one WHO take care of us in THIS life and AFTER THIS LIFE. Thats the only thing what matters to me.
To become a believer in JESUS you need to have CONNECTION with GOD. BECAUSE GOD is the one WHO referres to THE BIBLE and TO JESUS. DO you have this CONNECTION WITH GOD>
Without GOD we cannot find the TRUTH> THIS IS ALSO WRITTEN in the NEW TESTAMENT> Why do you think the PROPHETS OF GOD seek GOD and than tells others HOW TO FIND HIM.
SO do seek for GOD. He HIMSELF will be telling you what book you should read.
In one occasion Jesus spoke of Lazarus and a Rich Men.
He told that Lazarus was a very poor men and was always begging for everything. Even he always sat in front of the house of the Rich Man to beg of him something. But he never looked at him.
Both of them died. Than the Rich Men sees Lazarus in the paradise and asked GOD to send to him to give him water because out of the thirst. And he also asked GOD to SEND him AGAIN to EARTH to warn his family about the HORRIBLE PLACE that he was at.
The REPLY of GOD was to him that everything is already written in the Torah about the place where he is and also is written how to wander the Path of life. So this is what JESUS HIMSELF said.
So in this LIFE one can read ABOUT THE TRUTH in the Torah and also JESUS said that he is the FULLFILLING OF the TORAH (to the christians this is the OLD TESTAMENT)
That means that with HIM the NEW TESTAMENT began. THis refered of the OFFERING OF ANIMALS to the SINS.
This is not accepted anymore by GOD but HE accepts the offering of the LAM (this refers to JESUS)
This is all written in NEW TESTAMENT.
You cannot accept to understand the NEW TESTAMENT in ONE or MORE DAYS. It takes many, many years to explore it.
If you dont understand the OLD TESTAMENT than you wont be able to understand the NEW TESTAMENT>
Like wise for the JEWISH PEOPLE> THey first have to understand the OLD TESTAMENT.
But the one who are smart are beginning to read the NewTest than they will understand later what the meaning was of the Old Test.
I actually read the children BIBLE first and this was bits of both of the Testaments. So i had no difficulty to distinguish what they were. The difficulty are the Prophecies of the New Testament and also the conditions to become A CHILD of GOD THROUGH JESUS and HOW TO BECOME GOOD and HOLY LIKE JESUS.
Well Rashid, i m getting a bit tired to write down so many things about my belief of the Bible.
So i hope this will be enough explanation for my belief.
Dont under estimate the BIBLE. THIS IS THE BOOK TO LIFE AND DEATH of OUR SPIRIT.
Bye.
Delpina
Dear Delphina
I said previously that we all are being programmed, I was saying we all that means including you and me. No one on this earth who’s living their life without being programmed. No matter programmed by Islam; Christianity; Hinduism; or other way of life concepts & philosophies.
However, we need to question to our self who’s been programming us? For what purposes? why we are programmed in such way? What makes this program better yhan others? What is its history? Who found it? How it could be benefiting us? Is this the right program that needs to be installed in our life? Etc..etc..
Therefore Delphina… I want you not to close your eyes, ears and heart whenever you know someone saying about contradictions; wrong information; history of Jesus; Christianity and Paul or Saul..,as a good Christian who has strong faith in Jesus you should not be afraid of knowing about all of these, coz it is essential for you to know and clarify to people who’s been claiming about those things. So, get the answers! satisfy us with answers of those contradictions. And you’ll be the savior of your religion as up till now Christianity still could not answer this challenges even claimed those contradictions as mysteries which only God concerns.
You know It happened to me one time, when I read a website which stating many contradictions in our Qur’an. At that time, I was very shocked, coz I know that Allah (SWT) says that if this Qur’an is not from Him we will find many contradictions in it.
So at that time I tried to went through all of these contradictions one by one.., studied them and Alhamdulillah..as what Allah (SWT) has promised us…no one could challenge our Holy Qur’an. None of those allegations were true, even I found this man who wrote this, he changed some words to make it contradicts to each verses. (may Allah curse him).
Also In Islam.. the more I study about the religion the more beautiful I find about its teaching, totally different things that I faced when I read the Christian bible the more I know & read the more confusing it becomes.
Delphina,,, I want to clarify something to you, you tried to compare Muhammad (SAW) to Jesus (AS), let me tell you..in Islam believing the prophets is one of the pillars of faith for us. The Prophets Lot, Jacob, Moses, Aaron, David, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad were the noble messenger of Allah (SWT). They have their own missions for a certain time to a certain community except Muhammad coz as the last messenger his mission is for all mankind and until the end of time. Moreover, in assisting their missions the Prophets were able to have or perform their own miraculous things in Allah’s will, all of these miracles were used as signs or evidences that they were the true messenger of Allah (SWT). Unfortunately, there were still many of their people who didn’t believe in them and some of them adored them too much and claimed them as God, for example: Ezra & Jesus.
These prophets were specially prepared and chosen by Allah to deliver His message and to be good examples for people to follow. Therefore, Moslems have great respect for them and believe that their truthfulness and good manners are above suspicion. While the Qur’an mentions them in a lot of praise, which they deserve, the bible accuses them of great sins, such as cheating, adultery, incest, betrayal, worshiping idol and blasphemy. If normal people do not commit sins, how far the Prophets are from doing that! Accusing the prophets of these great sins is an indirect insult to Allah who chose and prepared them to convey His message and guide people to the right way of belief, worship and behavior.
ok then..in closing this discussion, again I suggest you to study and do some research about your own belief…and read again your bible and think about it. Also before you claim something about Islam or Muhammad (SAW), please get the right information from the right source about Islam first.
Thank you for having this warm and nice discussion with me. I greatly appreciate for your responds
Regards,
Rasyid
Well Rashid,
One think I ask you, are you trying to say that the BIBLE accuses the prophets of sins.
Are you out of your mind. Everything that is been written is truth about their sinfull actions. THE BIBLE IS NOT A POLITICAL BOOK THAT only SHOWS THE GOOD THINGS ABOUT PEOPLE but also EVERY BAD THINGS THAT IS COMMITTED by EVERY PROPHET OR KINGS AND EVERY PERSON THAT IS MENTIONED in the BIBLE. EVEN THE ANGELS OF GOD.
THANK GOD FOR THE BIBLE. OTHERWISE PEOPLE WOULD EVEN TRY TO FOOL THE CHILDREN OF GOD.
ONLY JESUS was SINLESS, that means TOTAL GOOD AND TOTAL HOLY.
You cannot name any wrongdoings of JESUS.
Why is HE sinless.? We already know that, because HE IS GOD.
Thats the ONLY explanation for HIS SINLESSNESS and HOLYNESS AND GOODNESS.
ALRIGHT. This caracter of JESUS CANNOT BE denied by LIES.
I know you dont have any connection with GOD so i wont reply to you untill you first connect with GOD. Its pointless to go on discussing about JESUS.
No one can BELIEVE in JESUS unless there is a CONNECTION with GOD almighty.
AGAIN. Its pointless to have this discussion because you and everyone else are trying to IMPOSE your own teachings to some one. Just say that the muslims are believing this because of some reasons.
I do belief in JESUS. ANd I also BELIEVE that HE IS GOD. You will ask me WHY and my reply will be that because of EVERY EXPERIENCE OF LIFE WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD AND NOT BY ANY TEACHING OF CHRISIANITY OR ANYONE ELSE.
You than will ask who is the HOLY SPIRIT?? Well thats the ONE who PERSONALLY confront PEOPLE with the things from the BIBLE. AND also CONFRONTS PEOPLE with all the BAD THINGS they do.
No i am not talking about CONCIENCE but GOD HIMSELF.
How will you explain things to GOD for every bad thing in your life???????
And how do you want to escape of GODS Punishment for all this?
Adam and EVE couldnt escape of the punishment. They were evicted of the PARADISE.
Thats the same way today. Now its the OTHER way around.
NoW the question is HOW DO I ENTER THE PARADISE?
JESUS HAS THE KEY TO THE PARADISE> THROUGH HIM you can get ACCES the PARADISE>
WHY is this. BECAUSE HE CAN SAVE US FROM THE PUNISHMENT OF THE HELL if we are WILLING to stop doing BAD THINGS. THIS MEANS TO REPENT of ALL bad things.
AND practise to do GOOD THINGS instead of BAD THINGS.
UNTIL you understand that we are not ABLE to do GOOD THINGS because we are of SINFULL NATURE.
This is the first STAGE of a persons life. DOING GOOD THINGS.
Rashid and everybody else, are you CAPABLE to do GOOD THINGS. First of all you must DESCERN RIGHT FROM WRONG to know WHAT is GOOD AND BAD.
This ABILITY to recognise what is GOOD or BAD is given by GOD.
This ABILITY are given by GOD if they make contakt with GOD>
Everything comes FROM GOD> OTHERWISE we would be lesser than the DEMONS OF THE DEVIL.
God made us like humans, not as animals or demons or angels.
We have to act like humans. That means no religion, political party or devil must devide us. Their is ONLY one NAME given here on EARTH, And thats the NAME of JESUS whom is RIGHTFULL OWNER OF THIS WORLD>
And HE is GOING to CLEAN this world with FIRE. And than no filth anymore on this world.
Bye
Dear Delphina
I thought we end the discussion already. Ok I gave the definiton of the Prophets in Islam previously, but I’ve never mentioned that the Prophets were free from any mistakes, even the Prophet could not free from mistakes BUT NEVER MAJOR OR SERIOUS ONE and Allah always guided and reminded them directly after doing mistakes. But for committing great sins like CHEATING!, ADULTERY!, INCEST!, BETRAYAL!, WORSHIPING IDOL & BLASPHEMY!..this is totally unimaginable! these are not the quality of The Prophets in Islam, If the messenger of Allah committed these great sins, then how could the wicked people be punished or even blamed for committing such sins?
And about Jesus as your god is sinless. Here I give you some examples of the ethical quality of Jesus from your bible and I also show you what is our Holy Qur’an says about it.
If Jesus is sinless.
Read: John 2:3,4
And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, they have no wine. Jesus saith unto her, WOMAN,What have I to do with thee?Mine hour is not yet come.
Is this the ethical quality of Jesus in your bible? It is so unbelievable that Jesus called his mother: Woman!
Also in other verses: Matthew 15: 26
But he(Jesus) answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and cast it to DOGS
In other verses, Jesus use the words like..”You snakes” or “You brood of vipers” ” you foolish people”
According to your bible Jesus used to insult people and even his disciples.
Well I don’t know if insulting other people and calling your mom impolitely are not considered as sins in your teaching.
In contrary,it is said in our Qur’an that the Prophet Jesus was kind and wise in his behavior towards his people and his mom.
In Maryam (Surah: 19 Verse: 30-32)
He (Jesus)said: “Verily, I am a slave of Allah, He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet; and He has made me blessed wheresoever I be, and enjoined on me prayer and charity,as long as I live. And kind to my mother and made me not overbearing or miserable.”
In other verse: Az Zukhruf ( Surah:43 verse 63)
When Jesus came with clear proofs (of Allah’s Sovereignty), he said: I have come to you with wisdom, and to make plain some of that concerning which you differ. So keep your duty to Allah, and obey me.
Alright then Delphina, I think we really need to end this discussion. In islam we are taught (Quoting for 109:6)Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion. and (2:256)Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clear from Error; whoever rejects Evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
Let’s end this with respecting each other. Thank you.
Rasyid
HAllo Rasyid,
Well, before ending this discussion i will just comment one thing.
How come we are talking about SOME ONE ELSE their ERRORS.
One thing is for SURE. Jesus was/is SINLESS.
We as christians have HIM as OUR EXAMPLE.
He will lead us FOR SURE to PARADISE. He who is PERFECT have the RIGHT to JUDGE.
We, you and I and all HUMANITY, are with a lot of BAD and EVIL things in our heart and minds. WE are the ONE are BEING JUDGED. We know from the BIBLE that ANGELS also like us BUT they have WILLINGLY chosen the side of the DEVIL.
These Angels, who became willingly BAD, were evicted on this EARTH. And they are the one that controls People minds to be against GOD and to do evil things. If someone does it willingly than he will have to be punished.
Like, in the beginning, Adam who was evicted from the paradise. But GOD GAVE ADAM a chance and OPPURTUNITY to ENTER PARADISE. Because his heart was WILLING to GO BACK to GOD. Actually GOD knows everything about US.
So HE knows how to HELP us and WHY.
Angels didnt have these kind of chances because they are not willing to become GOOD again.
With this I end my comments and last information about spiritual things.
Good luck with your seach of GOD, the TRUE GOD
I would just like to request that our Christian brothers and sisters just go and read the Qur’an instead of continuously preaching the Bible on this website. That’s all!
This s areply to hala,
How is he out topic man. he gives the most explicit reply anyone can ever give? There should not be any question after that.
The Historical Test
There is also another test, the historical one, which our present day world requires of a messenger of God. A notable American Bishop of the Catholic Church wrote in a nationally famous magazine that the test of history available to all men, all civilizations and all ages can be applied only to Jesus, because:
There were no predictions about Buddha, Muhammad, or anyone else -except Christ. Others just came and said: “Here I am, believe meâ€. Christ alone steps out of the line and answers: My coming was foretold, even to the smallest detail.
This statement is quite challenging and requires attention. We Muslims believe that Jesus was a true prophet of God. We also accept his advent as having been foretold in the previous scriptures.
But what about Muhammad?
We find that his coming was foretold in clear and precise terms not only by Jesus himself but by Moses and other Biblical prophets as well. In fact it seems from whatever words of Jesus are available to the world, that the bringing of glad tidings of a great coming prophet was one of the chief objects of his mission.
Again and again Jesus said that he was sent to the world only to give as much guidance as the people of his own time could bear. As for complete teaching which would stay forever with mankind, he said:
But the comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (John 14-26)
Only the prophet of Islam could have fulfilled this prophecy of Jesus. Muhammad was truly sent in his name because he bore testimony to his truth. The Holy Quran says:
The Messiah, son of Mary, was a messenger, “surely messengers like unto him had passed away before him” (The Holy Quran 5:76)
The Holy Quran reports that the angels told Mary:
Surely Allah gives you good news with a word from Him of whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, worthy of regard in this world and hereafter. (The Holy Quran 3:46)
The Holy Prophet testified to the truth of Jesus as a divine and honored Teacher and Prophet, and declared them mistaken and misguided who thought him accursed. The Holy Quran described his teachings as “guidance and light .”Further elaborating the same prophecy, Jesus said:
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will sent him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment. … I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. How be it when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak.. and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you. (John 16:7-14)
This prophecy clearly lays down that:
The Comforter will come after the departure of Jesus.
When the Comforter comes, he will reprove the world of sin, truth and justice.
He will guide the world into all truth.
The book revealed to him will contain no human word.
He will foretell things to come.
He will glorify Jesus and clear him of all charges.
Now when we take this prophecy point by point, it is unmistakably proven that it applies to none else but the Holy Prophet Muhammad. He came after Jesus. The Comforter was supposed to reprove the followers of Jesus. Obviously, he could not be a Christian or a Jew .The prophecy must relate to one who would belong to another people but should respect Jesus and promote reverence for him. The Holy Prophet was neither Jew nor a Christian. He was an Ishmaelite. But he defended the honor of Jesus. Thus says the Quran:
[The Jews] slew him not, nor crucified him, but he was made to appear to them like one crucified, and those who differ therein are certainly in a state of doubt about it: they have no definite knowledge thereof, but only follow a conjecture; and they did not convert this: conjecture into a certainty; on the contrary, Allah exalted him to Himself (The Holy Quran 4: 158)
Here the Holy Quran specifically says that Jesus was saved from that accursed death designed for him by his enemies. However, they only suspected that they had succeeded in crucifying him. But Allah had not only saved him but admitted him to the circle of His favored ones.
Of the promise, “He will show you things to come”, we need only say that no prophet has told the world of things to come as much as has the prophet of Islam.
The prophecy said that “he shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that he shall speak”. This description can only apply to the Prophet Muhammad. The New and Old Testaments do not contain a single book in which man’s word has not been mixed with God’s. The Quran is nothing but the word of God from beginning to end. Not a word even of the Prophet is to be found in it.
When Peter appeared before the people of Jerusalem, his words were: “Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you”. John starts one of his conversations with “I, John, who am your brother”. On the same lines we read the utterances of Philip, James and others in the Bible.
About the Holy Prophet, the Quran says:
He does not speak out of his own desire. It is naught but revelation that is revealed. (The Holy Quran 53:4-5)
The prophecy had said: “He will guide you unto all truth”. Again Muhammad was the only prophet who claimed to have brought a universal and perfect law. The Holy Quran says:
Today We have perfected your religion for you and completed Our favor upon you. (The Holy Quran 5:4)
How clearly has the prophecy been fulfilled in the person of the Prophet Muhammad in all of its details. Sometimes an unsuccessful attempt is made to dim the glory of this marvelous prophecy by claiming that this Comforter was the Holy Ghost who came after Jesus to his disciples. One wonders how this claim can be harmonized with the fact that the person foretold in the verses is described with the pronoun “he,” which could not possibly refer to a spirit. Then, was not the Spirit of Truth supposed to come only after the departure of Jesus? Should it be then assumed that the Holy Ghost was not with Jesus ? Obviously no devoted Christian will accept this assumption. One can also inquire where that truth is which is not found in the New Testament but was later brought by the Holy Ghost.
A Prophet From Thy Brethren
The fact is that before Jesus, Moses had also foretold of a great prophet in clear and precise words. When Moses went to Mount Horeb under the command of God he addressed the Israelites saying:
The Lord thy God will raise unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me, unto him ye shall hearken. (Deuteronomy 18:15)
And again, God’s words to Moses:
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass that, whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. (Deuteronomy 18:18-19)
It is evident from these verses that Moses foretold a Law-giving Prophet who was to appear after him, and who was to be from among the brethren of Israel.That he was to be a Law-giver and not an ordinary Prophet is obvious from the words “like unto Moses”, since Moses was also a Law-giver. The promulgation of “a new Law” means the initiation of a new movement, a new nation. A prophet with a new Law is obviously no ordinary teacher or reformer. He has to present a comprehensive teaching, incorporating fundamental principles as well as detailed rules.
Was Jesus such a prophet? Was he a Law-giver? Did he bring a new Law into the world to replace an old one? The answer, in his own words:
Think not that I am come to destroy the Law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto You, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law, till all be fulfilled. (Matthew 5:17-18)
And the followers of Jesus went so far as to declare:
And the Law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law. (Galatians 3:12-13)
Jesus laid no claim to a new Law; his disciples regarded the Law as a curse. It was the Holy Quran which announced from the very outset that:
This is the (complete and perfect) Book, there is nothing of doubt in it. It is a guidance for the righteous. (The Holy Quran 2:3)
The prophecy also said that the Promised One was to be raised not from among Israel but from their brethren. Muhammad was from the brethren of the Israelites, the Ishmaelites.
It also told that God would put his words in his mouth. The New Testament gospels do not consist of words which God put in Jesus’s mouth. They only tell us his story and what he himself and his disciples said and did.
The Holy Quran, on the other hand, says:
Say,O Muhammad, I am a man like unto you: Only the word of God come unto me. (The Holy Quran 18: 111)
The prophecy spoke of “words which he shall speak in my name.” Strange as it may seem, there is not a single example of words which Jesus may be said to have received from God with the command to pass them on. The Holy Quran, on the other hand, specifically claimed to be the word from God.
The words of the Lord had announced that the Promised One would be a prophet. Jesus, according to the Christian evangelists, did not claim to be a prophet. Matthew reports that he asked his disciples:
“Whom do men say that I the son of man ..?”
Peter replied that he was the Christ. the Son of the living God.
(Matthew 16:13-16)
Thus Jesus denied being either John the Baptist or Elias or one of the prophets. Muhammad was proclaimed as not only a prophet but also as “like unto Moses,” when the Quran said:
Verily We have sent to you a Messenger, who is a witness over you, even as we sent a Messenger to Pharaoh. (The Holy Quran 73:16)
In short, one thousand nine hundred years before the advent of the prophet of Islam, Moses declared that his own Law was, in the divine scheme, not the last Law; that the world was to have a fuller Law later on; and that, for this God would send in the latter days another Messenger of His. This Messenger was to teach all truth; it was he who was to mark the last stage in the spiritual advance of man. The world had to wait for another book and another Prophet.
If, therefore, the Quran and the Holy Prophet have come after the Bible and after the Prophets Moses and Jesus, and if they claim to have come from God as guidance to man, their claim must be treated as just and true. It must be taken as the Fulfillment of ancient prophecies. The revelation of the Quran was not a gratuitous revelation, a redundance in the presence of other revelations. Indeed, if the Quran had not been revealed, promises made by God through His messengers would have gone unfulfilled, and the world would have become afflicted with doubt and disbelief.
Divine Light From Paran
The prophecies of the Bible had even led its followers to that part of the world where the great Prophet was to appear. Thus it was said:
And he said, the Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; and shined forth from Mount Paran and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them. (Deuteronomy 33:2)
In this verse Moses is promised three manifestations of the glory of God. The first of these appeared on Sinai in the time of Moses. Time passed. The second manifestation promised in the prophecy was to take place at Seir, a part of the world near where the miracles of Jesus took place. “Rising up from Seir,” therefore, meant the advent of Jesus.
The third manifestation of divine glory was to take its rise from Paran, and Paran (Arabic Faran) is the name of the hills which lie between Mecca, the birth place of Muhammad, and Medina, the town where he died. According to the Old Testament, Ishmael, the ancestor of Muhammad, lived in this part. Thus we have in the Bible:
And God was with the lad (Ishmael): and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer. And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran. (Genesis 21:20-21)
Historical and geographical evidence shows that the descendents of Abraham lived in Arabia. All of them held Mecca and Kaaba, the house of worship built by Abraham, in great reverence. His son Ishmael first settled in Mecca. Genesis gives the names of twelve sons of Ishmael including two named Tema and Kedar. (Genesis 25:13-16) This is further supported by the testimony of Isaiah where we read:
The burden of Arabia. In the forest of Arabia shall ye lodge, O ye traveling companies of Dedanim.The inhabitants of the land of Tema brought water to him that was thirsty, they provided with their bread him that fled. For they fled from the swords, from the bent bow, and from the grievousness of war. For thus hath the Lord said unto me, Within a year, according to the years of an hireling, and all the glory of Kedar shall fail: And the residue of the number of archers, the mighty men of the children of Kedar, shall be diminished: for the Lord God of Israel hath spoken it. (Isaiah 21:13-16)
This prophetic passage is a picture of the Battle of Badr which took place about a year after the Holy Prophet’s migration from Mecca to Medina. In this battle the sons of Kedar , the people of Mecca and the territories around, unable to withstand the fierceness of Muslim swordsmen and archers, sustained disastrous defeat. God made a handful of men, poorly armed and without provisions, the means of inflicting this humiliation on an army led by experienced generals.
The battles with the Meccans continued against heavy odds until such time that the Prophet Muhammad entered Mecca after a struggle of several years. This was the time when ten thousands of saints accompanied him. The Holy Prophet declared that the message of God had been completed in the form of the Holy Quran. Thus the prophecy of Moses was fulfilled that the Lord would shine forth from Paran with ten thousands of saints, with a fiery Law in his right hand. Thus also the prophecy of Jesus was fulfilled that the spirit of Truth “will guide you into all truth.” His fiery Law, the Holy Quran, consumed all impurities of flesh and turned the grossest hearts into pure gold.
Could Jesus have fulfilled this wonderful prophecy? He did not rise from Paran. He had only twelve disciples and not ten thousand saints. Isaiah had spoken of one that fled; the flight of Muhammad is such an important part of Muslim history that the Islamic calendar starts from the very year of migration.
“The Earth Was Full Of His Praise”
This advent was also prophesied by Habakkuk several centuries before Jesus. Thus we have:
God comes from Teman, and the Holy One from Mount Paran. Selah. His glory covered the heavens, and the ea11h was full of his praise. And his brightness was as the light; he had horns coming out of his hand5: and there was the hiding of his power. Before him went the pestilence, and the burning coals went fo11h at his feet. He stood and measured the earth: he beheld, and drove asunder the nations; and the everlasting mountains were scattered, and the perpetual hills did bow: his ways are everlasting. I saw the tents of Cushan in affliction; and the cu11ain of the land of Midian did tremble. (Habakkuk 3:3-7)
This again shows that the third manifestation mentioned earlier was going to be by one who would appear from the land of Tema and Mount Paran. The earth was going to be full of his praise. It is not a mere accident, then, that the Holy Prophet of Islam was named Muhammad, which literally means, the Praised One. Only a man with a name as beautiful as his personality and character could answer to the description of Habakkuk.The enemies of Muhammad suffered destruction, pestilence and humiliation of “burning coals” in encountering him in spite of overwhelmingly stronger and larger forces.
Moses died while he was still fighting his enemies. Jesus was put on the Cross. The prophet who beheld and drove the nations asunder, as mentioned by Habakkuk,could be, there- fore, none else but Muhammad. His enemies who looked like “everlasting mountains and perpetual hills” with their immense power were completely routed. Later “the tents of Cushan” and the “curtains of the land of Midian,” that is, the land of Canaan then under the Roman Caesar, also found their salvation in surrendering to the servants of the Holy Prophet in the time of that Caesar’s successors.
The Prince Of Peace
Lets us go on now to Isaiah. Here we find many passages about a coming prophet which can be true only of Muhammad. We are told of a time when a man will call the nations of the world who would swiftly answer his call and gather around him (Isaiah5:26-30). We are told that the followers of the Promised One will be obliged to take part in wars. We are told that the advent of this prophet will be at a time when even the light will be darkened by the sin and corruption of land and sea. Isaiahalso tells us that at the time God will turn away His face from the house of Jacob (Isaiah 8:13-17).
And then: For unto us a Child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful Counsellor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this. (Isaiah 9:6- 7)
The prophecy gives promise of a king who will have five titles:
Wonderful
Counsellor
The Mighty God
The Everlasting Father and
The Prince of Peace
Was Jesus ever a King? Were the names enumerated in this prophecy ever applied to him? Wonderful he might have been called, because of peculiar birth, but while his deniers regarded his birth as illegitimate, his supporters were in doubt about his ancestry. He gave no exhibition of the might that is mentioned in the above verse. Nor could he be called Everlasting Father, because he himself had mentioned another one coming after him. He neither became king nor could he ever bring peace to the world. He remained oppressed by his opponents until he was put on the Cross. He could not, therefore, be rightly called the Prince of Peace. He never attained to any government and, therefore, the words, “of his government there shall be no end,” have no meaning in terms of his life. These signs mentioned in Isaiah apply only to the Prophet of Islam.
It was he who had to shoulder the responsibilities of a state, and thus, quite against his will, had to be called king.
Muhammad was Wonderful both in his name and achievements. Jesus, in his parable of the vineyard, speaks of the householder who let his vineyards to husbandmen. These wicked men not only beat, killed and stoned his other servants but also his son. The lord, says Jesus, will come himself, destroy these wicked husbandmen and render the vineyard to those who “shall render the fruits in their seasons.” This will be so because:
The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the comer; and this is the Lord’s doing, and it marvelous in our eyes. (Matthew 21:33-44)
This is the way in which the “Wonderful” one had to appear. When the son would be slain, then the other one would be sent who would prove to be the head of the corner. And he would seem “marvelous” in the eyes of Jesus and the whole world.
And about his wonderful achievements we may quote Thomas Carlyle. He writes:
To the Arab nation it was a birth from darkness into light; Arabia first become alive by means of it. A poor shepherd people ,roaming unnoticed in its deserts since the creation of the world, a hero-prophet was sent down to them with a word they could believe: see, the unnoticed becomes world-notable, the small has grown world-great,’ within one century afterward, Arabia is at Grenada on this hand, Delhi on that, glancing in valor and splendor and the light of genius, Arabia shines through long ages over a section of the world. Belief is great, long-living, The history of a nation becomes fruitful, soul-elevating, great, so soon as it believes. These Arabs, the man Mahomet and that one century-is it not as if a spark had fallen, one spark, on a world of what seemed black, unnoticeable sand, but 10, the sand proves explosive powder, blazes heaven-high from Delhi to Grenada. I said ,the great man was always a lightning out of heaven; the rest of men waited for him like fuel and then they too would flame.
(Thomas Carlyle in Heroes And Hero-worship)
The second name of the Promised One is Counsellor. This again applied to the Holy Prophet. A nation turned to him for advice. He, in turn, held regular consultation with his people, and made it obligatory on the State to consult the people in all important matters. The Holy Quran tells us that his companions sought his consultation regularly.
The prophecy had also described him as mighty God. The Bible has often mentioned the prophets as God himself. (Exodus 7:1 and 4:16)
Whenever a human being is spoken of as a “like of God” it can only mean that he is a manifestation of the Almighty .The Holy Prophet, again, answers the description of the prophecy. There are several references relevant to this in the Holy Quran. At the Battle of Badr, the prophet took a handful of gravel and threw it at the enemy. This proved a signal for a dust storm which discomfited the enemy and contributed to his defeat. Of this, God says to the Holy Prophet:
And thou threwest not when thou didst throw, but it was God who threw. (The Holy Quran 8:18)
Again it says:
Verily those who swear allegiance to thee indeed swear allegiance to God. (The Holy Quran 48:11)
Thus came the manifestation of mighty God, The Holy Prophet, who was able to subjugate all his enemies in his lifetime and to smash all opposition.
The fourth name in the prophecy is Everlasting Father. Jesus was sent only to the lost sheep of the House of Israel and, therefore, could not possibly have an everlasting character. On the other hand, the Holy Prophet was referred to in the Quran as “bringer together of all mankind”. (The Holy Quran 34 :29). He was promised that his teaching would abide forever with the people because at the end of days, the Promised Messiah would appear from among his followers and would revive the teachings of Islam and prove conclusively that the spiritual dominion of the Prophet of Islam was everlasting and there would be no heavenly teachers then except from his followers.
The fifth name in the prophecy is Prince of Peace. Can Jesus be truly called such? He did not become a sovereign in his life. He did not ever gain power to administer forgiveness to his enemies, and therefore, there was not much occasion for him to perform what he preached. On the other hand, the very religion of Muhammad is called Islam, meaning peace. As for the performance of peace and forgiveness in Muhammad’s life we have ample evidence.
Through thirteen long and weary years the prophet of Islam and his little band of devoted followers bore with calm dignity and patience the bitterest persecution at the hands of the Meccans. Starvation, flogging, scoffings, humiliations, degradations and outrages of every description were the order of the day. When the Prophet took refuge in Medina, even there he was not left in peace. Over a period of seven years of sustained and brutal persecution the Prophet of Islam appeared suddenly on the heights of Paran, at the head of ten thousand saints, with no battle fought and not a drop of blood shed, when any penalty inflicted upon these Meccans would have been light in comparison to their long record of misdeeds, the Prophet announced, gently and mercifully:
There shall be no retribution exacted from you, you shall all go free. (The Holy Quran 12:93)
Is it the same way that the Christians treated their enemies when they came to power? Who should then be called a true Prince of Peace, Jesus or Muhammad? Jesus could not afford peace to others. His followers were able to afford it, but they did not give it. The prophet of Islam had the power to punish his enemies but he chose to forgive. Muhammad, therefore, was the Prince of Peace of Isaiah’s prophecy. It was he again who also attained government and thus could fulfill the last part of this prophecy saying, “Of the increase of his government and peace, there shall be no end.”
Conclusion
These are just a few of the many prophecies found in the Bible about the advent of that great prophet who was going to lead the world into all truth.
Muhammad was going to be, in the words of Solomon, “altogether lovely” which in Hebrew is expressed as Mahmaddim. (Song of Solomon 5: 10-16) He was the fulfillment of the “stone” of Daniel’s dream. (Daniel 2:34-35) He was the coming of the lord of the vineyard himself as foretold by Jesus.
True, there are some prophecies about Jesus as well in the Old Testament but it is also a fact that there are many which cannot rightly be applied to him. These could be fulfilled in the person of the one who was coming with a Law and whose mission was to be not just to “the lost sheep of the house of Israel” but to the whole world, one who was spoken of by Jesus as the Comforter and Spirit of Truth. The predictions about Muhammad in the Bible are clear and precise.
The door to the Kingdom of Heaven has been opened by the fulfillment of these prophecies. Blessed are those who accept the call of the Lord of Heaven and Earth to enter His Kingdom and receive His communion.
And our last observation is that all praise is due to God, the Sustainer of the Universe.
thnx and bye
dear delphina,
It is the common practice of the Jews and Christians to translate even the proper names, thus wherever they find the name ‘Muhammad’, they translate it as ‘the praiseworthy’, lovely, or words like that. This practice has helped them in ‘hiding the truth’ from the world, as the people reading the translations can never suspect that the sentence refers to a certain person. Now, if others follow that practice, a non-english speaking person will translate the name of ‘Livingstone’ as a ‘stone, which was alive’. Then he will elaborate on this theme and will try to prove that in 19th century, stones in Europe had life, and one of such stones had come to Africa and had traveled up to Kigoma and Ujiji.
Add to it, the frequent changes and alterations which the Christians are so wont to make in the Old and New Testaments, and then you can appreciate the true position.
BOOK OF GENESIS
Anyhow, let us begin from Genesis. I will use the King James Version throughout this chapter.
Genesis 17:20, records the promise of God with Prophet Ibrahim: “And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall be beget, and I will make him a great nation.”
The prayer referred to in this sentence, is given in detail in many places in Qur’an, which runs as follows:
And remember Abraham and Isma’il raised the foundations of the House (With this prayer): “Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us: For Thou art the All-Hearing, the All-knowing.” Holy Qur’an (2:127) “Our Lord! send amongst them a Messenger of their own, who shall rehearse Thy Signs to them and instruct them in scripture and wisdom, and sanctify them: For Thou art the Exalted in Might, the Wise.” Holy Qur’an (2:129)
Now coming to the wording of Genesis: in this present form this sentence mentions only 12 mains. But in its original language it clearly gives the name of the Holy Prophet also.
DEUTERONOMY
“God promised to Prophet Musa (a.s.): “The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken.” (18:15)
“I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto three, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words, which he shall speak in my name. I will require it of him.” (18:18-19)
Christians try to fit this prophecy on Prophet Eesa (a.s.). But it fits to nobody except Prophet Muhammad Mustafa (s.a.w.a.), because: –
1. The prophet was to come from among the brethren of Israel; any prophet coming from Bani Israel is therefore excluded from this good tiding. Now, as we know, Prophet Eesa (a.s.) was from Bani Israel, while Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s.) was from Bani Ismael who were the brethren of Bani Israel.
2. The prophet was to be ‘like unto Moses.’ Prophet Musa (a.s.) had to make war, and Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.a.) also had to defend himself through war. But Prophet Eesa (a.s.) did never enter a war.
3. Prophet Musa (a.s.) had a brother Haroon (Aaron), who was to succeed him. No such brother was to Prophet Eesa (a.s.) while Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.a.) had Ali Bin Abi Talib (a.s.) Whom he said “Thou art to me as Aaron was to Moses, except that there is no prophet after me.”
4. Prophet Musa (a.s.) left the religious Leadership to the children of Aaron. Prophet Eesa (a.s.) did not make such arrangement. Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.a.) made similar arrangement in his Ummat by leaving Islam in the hands of Ali and his children, Hasan and Hussain.
5. ” … and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak upto them all that I shall command him.” This criterion fits Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.a.) only, because Prophet Eesa (a.s.) did not claim if for himself, while Allah said in the Qur’an for Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.a.) “Nor does he speak out of desire. It is naught but revelation that is revealed.” (53:3-4)
6. Prophet Eesa (a.s.) did never claim that he was the promised Prophet of this sentence, while Allah mentioned this similarity between Prophet Musa (a.s.) and Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.a.) in the Qur’an in the verse, “Verily, we sent unto you an Apostle, a witness on you, as we sent an Apostle unto Pharao.”
7. Prophet Eesa (a.s.) did not claim that he was the like of Moses, while Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.a.) said to Ali Bin Talib (a.s.) “Thou art to me as Aaron was to Moses, except that there is no prophet after me.”
8. Prophet Eesa (a.s.) himself said that the prophet who was to come after him will fulfill this prophecy. See the following sentences of John: “How be it when he, the Spirit of Truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak.”
OTHER PROPHESIES
(A) DUETERONOMY
“And he (i.e., Moses) said, The Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.” (Deut., 33:2)
The coming of Lord means coming of God’s Representatives. Now the prophet of God who came from Sinai, was Prophet Musa (a.s.); that who rose from Seir (a mountain in Palestine) is Prophet Eesa (a.s.). And who is the prophet who shined forth from mount Paran? Paran is the name of a mountain in Mecca. The Prophet of God who shined forth from there is none except Muhammad Mustafa (s.a.w.a.)
(B) ISAIAH
“Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth …”(42:10).
The old malady of translating the proper name has made this prophecy meaningless. In an Armenian translation, written in 1666 and published in 1733, it has been translated as: “They sing unto the Lord a new song; and his kingdom continues after him; and his name is Ahmad.” (Now the name Ahmad has been translated as meaning ‘his praise’).
Anyhow, in this prophecy, a new song unto the Lord means a new shariat from God, which fits the Holy Prophet of Islam; but not so much on Prophet Eesa (a.s.).
(C) HABAKKUK
The vision of Nabi Habakkuk says: “God came from Teman and the Holy One from mount Paran. Selah … his ways are everlasting.” (3:3-6)
I do not think there is any need to elaborate this prophecy, which is so clear. The representative of Lord who came from Paran was Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.a.) and all other attributes can easily be fitted on him.
Allama Fakhrul-lslam Muhammad Sadique (formerly a Christian priest) has explained more than 30 prophecies from the Old Testament.
FROM NEW TESTAMENT
(A) “THAT PROPHET”
“And this is the record to John (i.e., the Baptist) when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?
“And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.
“And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? and he saith, I am not. Art thou that Prophet? And he answered, No.” (John 1:19-21)
This talk clearly shows that just before the advent of Prophet Eesa (a.s.) (Jesus Christ), the Jews were waiting for three prophets: Christ, Elias and ‘that Prophet.’
And when John said that he was neither of the three, then: “And they asked him, and said unto him, why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that Prophet?” (John 1:25)
It also shows that ‘that Prophet’ commanded such a high respect that his name was not uttered and his adjective ‘Prophet’ is written with a capital ‘P’. And his advent was so well understood that simply addressing him as ‘that Prophet’ was enough to know him.
And many scholars believe that ‘Elias’ means Hazrat Ali (a.s.) who was appointed the successor of the Hoy Prophet, Muhammad Mustafa (s.a.w.a.).
(B) “COMFORTER”
Prophet Eesa (a.s.) is recorded, as saying to his 12 companions: It is expedient for you that I go away; for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgement: Of sin, because they believe not on me; of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; of judgement, because the prince of this world is judged.
“I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. How be it when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall ear, that shall he seak: and he will show you things to come.”
“He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you.” (John 18:7-14)
Similar references have been recorded in John, 14:26 and 15:26.
I do not think there is any need to explain how perfectly well these prophecies of Prophet Eesa (a.s.) fit on the Holy Prophet of Islam (s.a.w.a.).
There are more than thirty prophecies mentioned in “Anisul-Aalaam.”
Now you may clearly understand the meaning of the following verses of the Qur’an:
“The people of the Book know this (i.e., Muhammad) (s.a.w.a.) as they know their own sons; but some of them conceal the truth which they themselves know.” (2:146)
“Those who follow the Apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own scriptures in the Torah and the Gospel …(7:157)
“Although from old days they (the Jews) had prayed for victory against those without faith, when there came to them that (i.e., Muhammad) (s.a.w.a.) whom they did recognise, they refused to believe in him…” (2:89)
What makes you second guess what is of God and what isnt,judging which you should not.To me God sent his essence into Mary so he could have a son of man with him in it other than just the breath of life he gave us.Jesus was our salvation much as the blood sacrifices of old.He lived life as man yet gave us the teachings and offerings of God who rules over all.It is his earth and we and that earth are of both his CREATION.Who would have the supreme power but him.No man before Jesus or after has Jesus gift of selection of being OF God part of God essence and man.More than just man who obeys God but made by God his son of ruling over man in a given yet undetermined as of now time to come.The ideal that Jesus was just an ordinary yet holy man is not true.Selection is of Gods choice and this was his doing to still be misunderstood by man.The teachings of God and Jesus for the earths subjects are not to this day heeded by any that I can confess by witness to see.I know I cannot pray to idols or what God created rather directly to God.In his giving life and is pro life I cannot see how killing does not go against him and therefore being anti.Spilling of blood since the beginning had its consequences and still confines us because we do so.Idealisms of man is satans way of anything that goes against God.No my friends man really isnt your enemy,just a tool thats used by satan to spit in Gods face and we blindly help him out.All man.I relate to the simplest form of warning that lets say your earthly father leaves the house and says he will return but here are the rules when he is gone.You go against them and you will be punished.Upon his return who will be selected for punishment of non compliance? Its a choice for us all to make, you are either for Gods ways and commandments or you are not.I do not worship men that sleep in the dust of the earth until judgement or placement.I worship the one true God and his selection of a son to rule over mankind who gave up his blood for our salvation and the glory of the knowledge of it for the narrow path thats left to tread.What other message of mankind ever gave that hope?Raised fists and hate is of satan and God says love your brothers and your enemies.What is not understood?Love gives hope and the other is self destructive.Peace be upon everyone.
To Sherman
Hi I just want to think and ask yourself why will God need to have a child when his word is be and it is?
there are too many Shia beliefs in these posts
I was reading through these posts and looks like Delphina states that Jesus is god because he was sinless. I then quickly compared in my head the actions of Jesus doing human things; he ate, he slept, he wept, he got angry, he was sad, he bleed, and the kicker he also went to the toilet.. I could hardly believe by asking myself these questions that anyone in their right mind would attribute god almighty having to relieve himself.
Of course some will argue; god is god he can do anything he wants. But common, we are slaves of god, why would god want to become his own slave by becoming a man and further let his slaves kill him so his followers can be forgiven for their sins?
And what happens to everyone that came before Jesus? They didn’t even get the chance to let Jesus into their life before he supposedly died for everyone’s going forward sins… From this viewpoint Abraham must have been confused preaching one god. I do not believe in this blasphemy.
Jesus was not god, but I definitely believe he was a messenger of god with the same message as those before him, like Moses, Abraham, and Isaac.
It is only appropriate to attribute just fair actions to god. All of mankind have been given the same message both before Jesus and after, and since all of this is confirmed in the Quran, I too bear witness that there is no god but god, and Mohammed (may peace be upon him) is his messenger.
You know what all you peoples problem is? wether your muslim or christian!
You question things to much. You cant just accept things. Evan if you understand it, you still have a nak to question it. Debating amongst your selves isnt going to help. People have been questioning and debating for years and didnt get know were.
If you want to know everything about islam:
go to a imam
If you want to know all about christianity:
go to a priest
And if you cant accept what you here, then stick to your own believes and when you die you will learn the truth.
PROBLEM SOLVED!!!!!!!!!
nazir says its right dont debate all that one is ALLAH IS GREAT
Assalaamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh to all Muslims. (May God’s peace, mercy and blessing be upon us all)
Good day and peace to delphina and all those who believe that Jesus is God:
I am a former Christian who became a Muslim and Alhamdulillah (All Praise is due to Allah), my faith and belief in Islam as the only message of Allah is getting stronger each day. Thanks to Allah for this guidance.
Believe me Delphina, I was a devoted Christian, a Catholic a that. I had been active in the church. And I felt that something is wrong with the faith that I have. But I didnt do something about it. I just kept my eyes blinded by the truth that there can never be one God in a trinity. I always ask myself, why is it that the first commandment say to worship only one God. There shall be no other God. But why is it that we worship a Father, a Son, and the Holy Spirit? Where is the oneness of God. In a 3 in 1 coffee, there can never be a three in one without the 3 ingredients. And I found that this cant be answered logically. The common sense cant just answer it.
First, Ahmed Deedat is hated by many Christians and Jews because of his gift from Allah. He always sounded triumphant in all the debates he engaged in. Otherwise he will not be as popular as he is now. Alhamdulillah. He straight things out point by point, and you have to admit it, he has a lot of sense. Alhamdulillah.
The problem with many of our Christian brothers and sisters is that they keep their eyes blind even if they are not blind.
Where in the bible can you find that Jesus said worship me and I am your God? Could you cite a verse? If not, then better relax for a moment and think about what you had been saying here. In the Qur’an, God himself said that Islam is the religion he sent to mankind for guidance and that Allah is his name. Where can you find in the bible that Jesus said Christianity will be your religion? Even in praying the Lord’s prayer, he says our father and not my father. Holy be thy name, and not holy be our name. Believe me Delphina, I was once like you. So devoted to my religion. Not because I believe that it is the right religion, but because this was passed on to me from generation to generation. Its really funny how the signs are in your face but you see nothing.
We Muslims cannot be called Muslims if we dont accept any of the prophets and messengers sent by Allah.
Dont you ever wonder why even with all the controversies implicated to Muslims, many are become Muslims? Its the fastest growing religion in the world, despite the 911, terrorism. And mind you, the people who are converting to Islams are not ignorant but intelligent people. Alhamdulillah.
To Nazir,
You know, if you go to a priest and even with a high position, they cant answer why is it that God has to die for your sins. And God has to eat, get hungry, get tired, has to rest, etc. Something that is felt by a human. They say its a mystery. And what will happen to bad people if they die? They just have to believe that they will be saved by Jesus? Oh how lucky they are. Is it still a myster whether you go to heaven or to hell?
To Cherryl,
Check out this website, and whoever els wants to. Download the talks and listen to them. Many details have been added about heaven and hell and te major and minor signs by a very good shaykh ahmed ali.
http://www.tauheed-sunnat.com/sunnat/category/english-lecturers/shaykh-ahmed-ali
asalaamu alaikum
Non belivers dispute about Holy Quran. Its also easy for them to dispute with the Gospel of St Barnabas who depicted the truestory of Holy Prophet Jesus.Read the gospel & you will know that ALMIGHTY ALLAH is all alone the Supreme ruler of the Universe & Holy Prophet Mohammed(MSAS) is the blessing for mankind.
Thank You
Wonderful post,You gain knowledge of new things every day.
plz somebody explain to me the meaning of ‘begotten Son of God’ ….. am totally confused, how was Jesus God’s begotten son, what does the word ‘begotten’ say here????? just explain this one word
begotten – (of offspring) generated by procreation; “naturally begotten child”
biological – of parents and children; related by blood; “biological child”
thank you brother Saeed but i still need to know what do the Christains mean by it when they say their prophet Jesus is the begotten son of God do they mean it literally?????? i’m so confused… could any of the christains on this discussion board explain it to me please !
still waiting……
Bro Deedat may Allah swt,bless him for bringing this topic and so eloquently challenging the principals, idea’s, and teachings of our Cristian brothers and sisters. We need to all be taught how to move with such ease between both books and use the original Hebrew translations shine light to the uniformed,and often ,unfortunately,misinformed masses!
hi all. i,ve read the book by ahmed deedad. amazing. with all those islamophobia and the hatred to non-involving muslim (coz of some deviated “muslims” that does terrorism). ahmad deedat could be positive to the bible, once a book from god (though now that its hard to use as reference coz of addition and rejections by some @$#@@% ppl)
but still some verses from the bible may have not been changed. theres a verse in old testamen (i forgot the name just either the two old and new one but probably the old)
it said (what i roughly remember) that god will send someone a book “….like unto you” (you refers to moses) and prophet muhammad died and buried just like moses. muhammad moses both bring new laws to the people, and both prophet muhammad and moses had a natural birth. both MIGRATED following the conspiracies to kill them.
so, said ahmad deedat: prophet muhammad is more like moses than jesus. thus the prophet in the prophecy is referring to muhammad not jesus.
CONCLUSION: i believe both are books of god (or was)
BUT : the bible had things put in, taken out, put back in again. and yeah its written from 3rd person, like “god said unto moses” “moses said unto the lord” not “i said unto moses” or “moses said unto me”. the bible is already corrupted by men, though a part still may be preserved.
p/s: look at youtube for more info
I am a Muslim now. Thanks to Allah.
Hi Delphina,
May i know what are the factors that led you to Islam?May i know?
I have some objections to accept Islam.If you can clarify me it would be great.Dont cheat your self.Before you accept islam,you shud do a chat with me,you would defnetly rejoice for Being a christian.
Allahou Akbar.
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to pure. i understand that everyone would think their religion is the true religion. and the pious ones would certainly wish to help others by bringing them to their religion. but here lets see and compare.
1. Is it rational for someone to carry the sins of others? is it fair for someone to suffer so that someone else can be cleansed from their sins? God is Just. God is the best of everything. and the answer to this question is a no brainer. Do you believe god is just?
2. I want to ask christians here, please be honest. if you believe in God, believe He knows whats in your hearts. do you guys ever read the bible from the fron cover to back cover, or you only refer certain verses here and there. because a lot of muslims read the koran from cover to cover. come on, its your religion, you would like to know god right? read them now if you havent.
3. Now if you already know your religion, then only can you study other religions. thats what some muslim missionaries do. strengthen their own faith first then read about other religions to compare them both
4. Were the heavens vacated when He laid under the ground somewheres? Were all the worlds left without a God to manage while His hands were nailed? How could the iron reach Him and His body pinioned?
5. What’s more weird is the belly that had Him in it. He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness fed by blood!Then he got out of the womb as a small baby, weak and gaping to be breastfed. He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted in.
Is this a god?
thats all. i dont want to make your brains too fuzzy. 5 points is enough i guess. digest it then think, then think of anything to disclaim these 5 points here.
p/s: point 4 and 5 were taken from a poem(i need to cite, its not mine)
Hi Danial,
See the answers for your points.
1.)Is it rational for someone to carry the sins of others?
A:Initially Adam nd eve sinned and lost the morality and god punished them.Due to the Sin at that time (noah’s days),God brought flood,during sodomah gomorah,God destroyed them with fire.You see god cant bare humans Sinning.Because if we sin,we are favouring Satan his enemy.So God ordained shedding the blood of goats,sheep for remission of Sins earlier days.Still Sin was increasing and nobody is eligible for heaven.So in the bible,it was Gods old plan that he sends Jesus(his only Son)as a remission of Sins once for all so that everybody who believes in Jesus and obeys him will not perish,and can stand before God.Imagine the same God keeping Quiet now when Sin was multiplied to infinity.Only because jesus laid his Life.
jesus said iam the Good shepherd and that a good friend will lay his life for them.
Jesus defeated death in the history for the first time and defeated satan.Thats why Jesus says Iam the only way ,the truth and the Life.
2)thats right if every christian reads bible nd understands it,will never turn to any religion.So its a good advice
3)yes we do compare with others and learn more
4&5)Were the heavens vacated?Ate drank etc..
A: See while jesus is taking baptism,father God from heaven said that he is my beloved Son and iam pleased with him,and holyspirit in the form of an angel stood on Jesus.
Here heaven is not empty.God is triune in nature if you search scriptures carefully.
Dont limit God to human.God can study all hearts simultaneously and God can dwell in all simultaneously(omnipresent).can u understand with ur Human mind?Same way dont think about the infinite with finite mind.
u need to understansd jesus love for all.He laid life for you too my friend cant you recognize?
Also notably,he tool human form.Before he was not human.just think why jesus needs to be born miraculously if he was just for isralites.Quran cant justify this,but bile does.before he was not human,and God manifested in flesh (I Tim 3:16)
He humbled himself for saving the mankind.Its his manifestation of his Love.
Thanks..
Hi Danial,
Nice to see your reply.its so positive.ok lets analyze logically.
The only objection for me to think about or accept islam is that Quran says that jesus is not crucified.But the whole biblical theme is the remission of Sin and Jesus offered as a sacrifice.This was all prophetically fullfilled in the new testament.In the old testament,it was prophecised the place,name,time and how the Jesus will be born and also several prophecies of jesus until he dies were mentioned and fullfilled .This was said even by the great Historians from greek,jewish and Roman sources.
I went to google,typed “Historical record for christ not crucified”,in the first page itself didnt find any content out of millions of websites on w3c.
So how can we come to Quran and agree it?
Also bible predicted 600 yrs before that
1.Some one would bring a Gospel from angel and that u shud not accept
2.Also gave hints who is the anti-christ.The one who denies Jesus Sonship.
3.Also gave criteria to test the spirit from God.any body who denies jesus manifested in flesh is not from god according to bible.
Even these prophecies came to be true thru islam.
1.Muhmad brought gospel thru angel
2.He denied Jesus Sonship
3.He said jesus was just a man,and that he is not manifested in flesh.
Now what shud i do tell me?which one to believe
Quran came after 600 yrs and says the old scriptures were wrong
Bible before 600 yrs says that in the future you will receive wrong scriptures and you shud not believe.
is the one which predicted earlier that future scriture is wrong is superior or else is the one whcich came later and pointing to old scriptures wrong is superior?
tell me which is right and superior.
I feel prediction is superior and i consider Bible to be superior.
Hi danial,
Also i want to answer to your questions.Think this logically
In Quran its mentinoed that there were warners sent to each and every community with the prophets speaking their own language were sent,and that he sent books.
Can you produce one single book on earth other than Quran ,which is from Allah and which is compatible with Quran?this is not a challenge.just to analyze.
If we say muhmad the last messanger of God ,then he shud be compatible with all the basic doctrine of old revelations.
Take any other book on the Earth other than Quran ,which is religious,claims that for Sins we need remission.Hindus go to ganges,for sins remission,christinas thru the blood of christ etc..
Also in the updanishads,vedas,hindu slokas,the Old testament of bible,prophecied that God would take human form and Die for the Sins.Even Lord buddha told that.
I you go to old revelations,take any book whcih is religious on the face of the earth,it says that God came in human form(Avtaar).
If allah might have sent 1250 prophets and 343 messangers with books,then produce any book on the face of the earth other than quran,which denies that God wont take human form and no remission of sins is required.
thats why we doubt if he is the last messanger of God.
Also reg heaven, muhmad says that there will be Wine in heaven flowing.In bible it says the opposite of what is mentioed in quran.Not only this but all the basic doctrine of bible.
When jesus came to earth,he is fully compatiblwe with old testament.i;e he quotes from old testament and talks about his fullfillment.Also paul what ever he spoke,quotes from old testament and proved.So we can conclude jesus is the messanger of God by this.
muhmad’s Quran is totally opposite to bible basic doctrine reg Sin,salvation,heaven etc..
Jesus warned that many will come in my name and deceive you.
You read the complete bible and you yourself will tell that God cannot send a prophet who would mary 11 and describes heaven in such a way which is not acceptable.
Thanks..
to pure:
sorry if i cant understand some of those you typed. Im from asia but im studying a levels to go to UK. So i did study english, though it may still be not so good
yes, i can agree that some verses may be still undisturbed. which does not go against the fact some prophecies are true. but have you ever seen the conflicts in the bible? im assuming you know well the bible already and know what people say about them. some common ones are about two similar verses but one is saying about god and the other is saying about satan.
so how sure are you “…will receive wrong scriptures” refers to who?
ok so now there are conflicts in the bible. where are the conflicts in the koran
“annisa82 Do they not then consider the Qur’an carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much contradictions”
but its not only the bible that did predict something, the koran also stated many scientific facts even before it is studied, for example, the ‘rivers’ beneath the ocean. it was found by jacques costeau. refer
http://matmalaya.blogspot.com/2011/07/allahu-akbar-dalam-laut-ada-sungai.html
(its in malay so right click on the page then translate to english, if youre using google chrome)
but you may think that website may be biased(its not), so here is another proof
http://www.marine.tmd.go.th/marinemet_html/lect17.html
and also about other things like gender because of sperm, not because of combination of father and mother. if you take basic biology you should know this
yes i admit there were some differences like
Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs, “Drink your wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.”
while in the koran we have.
2:21 They ask you (O Muhammad) concerning alcoholic drink and gambling. Say: “In them is a great sin, and (some) benefit for men, but the sin of them is greater than their benefit.” And they ask you what they ought to spend. Say: “That which is beyond your needs.” Thus Allâh makes clear to you His Laws in order that you may give thought.
praise be to god, scientists do say that a moderate amount of wine improves health. so even if the koran says its a sin, it doesnt condemn it until it doesnt say it has benefit. but the sin is far worse, so im not drinking, even if the scientists tells so
actually they both have a few similarities. ive seen
“Ecclesiastes 4:9 two is better than one…”
and in the koran
“Yaasin36:36 Glory to God, Who created in pairs all things that the earth produces, as well as their own (human) kind and (other) things of which they have no knowledge”
yeah i may sound religious about this, probably because in chem today we were doing transition elements then we learnt about diamagnetism where some things are repelled by magnet. most things just get pulled by magnet, right? consider this some free chem knowledge…
“Hindus go to ganges,for sins remission”. no we dont do that way. we put forgiveness from sins solely on god’s say. nothing else. to us it is god only that can choose to forgive or not.
ok, non-muslims are always talking about prophet muhammad(pbuh) having many wives. but if you see the details, he married widows. even those widowed twice. if he was a sex maniac, why did he not marry anyone until 3 years after the death of khadija? could a sex maniac restrain himself/herself that long? if he was appointed the ruler of medina, why didnt he chose the most beautiful women at that time, to be his wife
here’s what ahmad deedat said in his book
http://www.answering-christianity.com/ahmed_deedat_muh_bible.htm
its about the bible, so i suggest you read it. agree or disagree, its your choice
because i have rules from my religion, it says there is no compulsion in religion
and lastly sorry if im using texts from both the koran and bible. i just feel i had to or not people wont want to read and countercheck
Hi Danial,
If we can point errors/descripancies ,we can point to even Quran.Already i mentioned above produce one book of allah other than Quran prior to Quran,as Allah said that he sent 1024 prophets and 343 messangers and that he sent books.
In 31309 verses of the bible,u point errors.but just in 6000 verses of quran we even pointed more.Point is here both of the sides explained the errors in detail.
But we shud see the historical authenticity mainly.Above question i asked is about that and that too jesus crucufixion.
Also regarding Wine,God used in eccl in a manner that he wants to have his own food.that doesnt mean its saying that drink wine as much u like.
In several places God warned not to drink.
Leviticus 10:9 (ESV)
9 “Drink no wine or strong drink, you or your sons with you, when you go into the tent of meeting, lest you die. It shall be a statute forever throughout your generations.
Numbers 6:3 (ESV)
he shall separate himself from wine and strong drink. He shall drink no vinegar made from wine or strong drink and shall not drink any juice of grapes or eat grapes, fresh or dried.
Judges 13:4 (ESV)
Therefore be careful and drink no wine or strong drink, and eat nothing unclean,
In several places he condemned it.
He said in Proverbs that did your own well and drink.Here its saying that do not go with any other’s wife rather enjoy your girl alone.see common usage.
see this Link
http://www.goquestions.org/sin-alcohol.html
1 point i want to mention is that.
Only in hindus,there were so many beliefs and some sects do blood shed for remission,some go to ganges,some go to a temple and do something for remission.
1 religion multiple belief.
Same way In islam,Some believe jesus comes again,some believe he wont come,some say he is already dead,some say haddits are corrupted some say satanic verses in Quran.
1 religion multiple belief.
But in christianity,all believe that Jesus is the Son of God manifested in flesh,died on cross,resurrected ,and raised up alive to father and he comes again to Judge.1 religion 1 belief.
First evaluate Quran historically,prophetically etc.. not alone scientific.
If you say scientific,there were several scientific facts in bible,which are mentioned 2500+ yrs.
See the doctrine and if its really true or not ..
to Pure
“If we can point errors/descripancies ,we can point to even Quran”
So, go on. im listening. lets see if i get to make you understand. and do take note that i have one small tafsir sitting just on my desk to countercheck. other resources i can get elsewhere. i dont see why you seem to not want to talk on this matter
about the thousands of prophets: ok let me tell you, we muslims only believe in 4 books(and only those that hadnt been corrupted). and we believe not all of them got books from god. not sure whats it called in english.
Zabur(prophet David pbuh),
Taurat(prophet Moses pbuh),
Injil(prophet Jesus pbuh),
Quran(prophet Muhammad pbuh)
and other scriptures that arent considered books, we call them sukhuf
“historical authenticity”. lets see which one is older and see the probability. and its the bible thats older. so the bible has more probability to be corrupted.
im assuming you have a Quran copy there. ok, so let me point out that even in translated Quran, we still have the original ‘arabic’ text. do you still have the syrian text in your ‘english’ bible? dont you now tell me its unchanged. what do you read in your bible english or syrian? people read it in english and cant check the authenticity by referring to the text from the original language
and lets see here, the koran 50 or even 100 years ago was never changed. only the translations. any hafiz around the world could point out of there were anything wrong, but the bible… you have verses taken out, and you have verses put in. the bible 50 years ago is not equal to the bible today. what more 2000 years ago… (just to say, id be more easy to believe in a carbon dated bible that was 2000 years old)
and even carbon dating disproved your “proof” of the crucifixion. the famous shroud was carbon dated to somewhere in 1300(what i remembered). but yeah we muslims believe they did crucify someone. only that they got the wrong guy. we believe god lifted Jesus pbuh to the heavens(im not sure what that actually meant, maybe another dimension)
and god fashioned the traitor to resemble Jesus so the jews caught him instead
here http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2012:1-8&version=KJV;
the bible calls childbirth a sin. dont deny that, if you want to deny that, please explain the word atonement in here.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+22%3A28-29&version=KJV
so dont you see? the system in the bible(nowadays) benefits the rich. yay, we can fornicate and to relinquish our sins we just need to pay money, and its settled(according to your bible)
would you let a small boy or girl read this?
Judges 19:25 But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go.
2 samuel 13 , 11 But when she took it to him to eat, he grabbed her and said, “Come to bed with me, my sister.”
regardless of what comes before or after, this verse is obscene, it could give ‘ideas’ to people, and why would it even be in a book of god. as a conclusion, it is not a book of god. stories on how people plan to do bad things dont deserve to be in a book of god
about the wine part. so now it says ‘dont drink’ and at the same time ‘drink’? yeah right. id say this system has flaws
im not sure if this verse was untouched, but even if you say theres 3 gods then you bible conflicts with that.
1 Corinthians8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
dont give me *toot* about its three in one. if you so wish to, then im telling you this verse doesnt say about equality. if God and Jesus are equal why would two different words be used here, why one is called ‘God’ and one is called ‘lord’
about the ‘sin’ part. if Jesus did die for people’s sins then why would a priest be appointed to ‘forgive’ the sins of people. you said the sins are all relinquished, the whole mankind but then your religions seems to say people still have sins. hear this, Pure, this system has flaws. this clearly isnt the system set by God. God is perfect, if it is set by God, it will be perfect and no contradictions.
so here im asking you, Pure. please accept Islam. please open your heart. i know i cant bring the whole mankind to the real faith, but at least on judgement day, when im judged by god i can say i helped in saving one person. cool down for some time and think and learn and see if you would accept Islam. if you cant, its your choice. i hope you find the real way. bye for now…
Hi Danial,
Initially muslims after read the Quran,when it is revealed and then when they studied the bible,its totally contradictory and hence in order to maintain the conviction that Quran is the word of God,they supposed that bible might have been corrupted.
1.There is no religious book on the face of the Earth which has numerical scientific facts told before 25oo yrs,which are now compatible
2.no religious book on earth which has hundreds of prophecies fullfilled till date and still fulfilling ..in the process.
3.No Religious book on earth where it says to love your enemies pray for them.
mathew :when enemy hits you at one cheek ,turn your right cheek.
Ex:kill the kafir where ever you find them?
No such verses in the new testament which is the Gods will to be followed.
You are saying that since its long time revealed and hence more corrupted.Quran was written 1400 yrs ago and new testament was written 1950 yrs ago.U say NT is more corrupted and Quran is less corrupted in your sense?
Regarding the original bible transcripts..God revelaed at the beginning from moses time ,where at that time no printing press.but scribes have maintained them and they copied with utter care and they have carry forwaded the scriptures till date.
Proof for its authenticity is
1.70% of the quran agrees it making bible an authenticated one,
2.Fullfilled prophecies makes it authentic.
3.Scientific facts in it proves it authentic.
4.Also Historical record(much of 3rd Source) agree with the Jesus Crucifixion.
Read the below link .This will answer your Question in detail.Please read it and think about it.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/Challenge/chap1.html
And regarding the verses which
“Should you let a small boy or girl read this?
Judges 19:25 But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go.
2 samuel 13 , 11 But when she took it to him to eat, he grabbed her and said, “Come to bed with me, my sister.”
At the beginning time,there were no morals until God had taught the law of 10 commandements and the law of moses,which includes some hundreds of laws about what is Good and what is right.So bible gave the description of what they did at that time reg rape etc..but it was not the God’s intenet.He punished them.
Iam asking the same Question to you..
here God himself in Quran says
Muhammad Al-Hilali & Muhsin Khan:
Verily, for the Muttaqoon, there will be a success (Paradise);
Gardens and grapeyards;
And young full-breasted (mature) maidens of equal age;
Here God himself says that He will give you Wine ,72 girls with big eyes ,swelling breasts etc..
Can you ask your child or your mother to memorize this and you discuss this with them..
I now challenge you can you show a single verse in the bible where God says i will provide girls,boys to you to have sex,and i will give you liquor ..njoyy?
Show me where God himself encourages all these?1 single verse from 31309 verses of Bible.
With this you need to know that the God of the bible is different from God of the Quran.
And regarding One God three persons,you didnt understand what we believe.. I will explain you in the next slide..
Islam says that every nation and poeple trougout history from Adam to the last prophet Muhammad pbuh have had a messenger from their own nation/poeple to warn them with their own tung. 124000 prophets and messengers in all the hadith( sayings of the prophet Muhammad pbuh) explains and we belive in all the books that were sent and all the messengers even thoug that the Quran only mentions 25 prophets by name we belive that every nation have been warned. And offcourse in the books of Moses puh and even the Injeel, gospel and bible. As muslims we know and belive in that otherwise we would not be muslims. One great point is that Muhammad pbuh is the only prohet who was/is sent for the whole of mankind. Were jesus only were sent for the lost sheep of Israel, and even the bible states that clearly even thoug its been changed and corrupted through time. The corrupted version for instans says that Jesus/Isa puh says that he is the alpha and omega. Jesus spoke aramæik and not greek! So how is it possible. Dont you see that satan has corrupted the earlier Books?? Wake up. Quranexplorer.com :)Read and learn
I decided to be Muslim 12 years ago I think you should argue in the subject that you know best. Please don’t say that you do not know the difference between prophetes and messengers. And also you just show to everybody in hear that you do not have any knowledge about science otherwise you would have never said that he Quran doesn’t teach science. To argue please next time make sure that you use something that you have been studied not what people said any way like Allah says only people who are smart will anderstand. Unfortunately I know where you coming from you must know that you cannot hide the sun with your hand. And good luck I hope that it won’t be to late for you before you understand and know the truth.
Hi Danial,
If you read the bible and cant understand the concepts in it doesnt mean that it is a flaw.
Now the Quran says about trinity that
Verses 5:72–75
Those who say, ‘God is the Messiah, son of Mary,’ have defied God. The Messiah himself said, ‘Children of Israel, worship God, my Lord and your Lord.’ If anyone associates others with God, God will forbid him from the Garden, and Hell will be his home. No one will help such evildoers.
Verses 5:72–75 Those people who say that God is the third of three are defying [the truth]: there is only One God. If they persist in what they are saying, a painful punishment will afflict those of them who persist. Why do they not turn to God and ask his forgiveness, when God is most forgiving, most merciful? The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a messenger; other messengers had come and gone before him; his mother was a virtuous woman; both ate food. See how clear We make these signs for them; see how deluded they are. (Qur’an 5:72 onwards, M. A. S. Abdel-Haleem translation)
1.Author of the Quran thought that we believed that mary is one in Trinty,which is wrong.we never believed that mary is three in One.This makes Quran a wrong gospel
2.Quran also says
Sura 112:1-4 “Proclaim, ‘He is the One and only GOD. The Absolute GOD. Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten. None equals Him.”
This proves Quran wrong.We never believe that he was the begotten Son of God literally.But he is the apponited heir Son of God who is with him from the beginning.
See the prophet Isaiah prophecised 700 yrs before the coming of the messaih/christ,below verse you will wonder.
Isiah 9:6
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Not only isiah,but michah ,jermiah,moses,david etc.. prophecised about christ 1000’s of yrs back and it came to fullfillment exactly,the time, place etc..
In the Quran its mentioned 1024 prophets were sent and 343 messangers were sent prior to muhmad and he sent books.By name
25 messangers are mentioned and 4 books are mentioned .but there were so many books sent they believe.
ok if you say Zabur(David) is the book of God,then in Pslams,there were several verses prophecied about Jesus as the Son of God,and that he was crucifed.
See if i say something is wrong,then i need to show that original.you cant show a single book other than Quran and you say bible corrupted?that is a junk claim.
Show me a single book on the Earth which is purely compatible with Quran.
But in bible,40 prophets wrote it .
40 prohets wrote in different times
40 prophets existed in different places,
and hence all the doctrine in it doesnt contradict and all the 66 books written by 40 prophets are compatible with each other.This is because its inspired by God.
Where is the Gospel of Jesus .iam asking you to show me.
Because Quran gave book to Muhammad and said that Gospel was given to Jesus.where is it.
As you already know how we preserved the books written by prophets from the beginning,if Jesus Gospel was given,we might have defnetly protected it just like others.
See there were so many flaws with your understanding of the bible but not with the Bible.
hi Danial,
So u need to understand then why is the Quran so differet and is contradictory to bible.
Answer is below
it is clearly mentioned(prophecied)in the bible.How could the holy spirit told before 600 years muhammad came ,that something of this sort happens.
ABOUT THE GOSPEL FROM ANGEL
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2 Corinthians 11:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an ANGEL OF LIGHT.
Galatians 1:8-9
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
(As per the above verses,the actual Gospel is that Christ is the Salvation,crucifixion and resurrection.The other Gospel is what you say that gabriel brought.Muhammad says he didn’t die at all(how strange).Is that really Gabriel?Because Gabriel is the one which testifies mary about the birth of christ and that he saves the mankind.How can it contradict?)
BIBLE CLEARLY TELLS WHO IS THE ANTI-CHRIST
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Ist Epistle of John 2:18,19,22,23 verses
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would [no doubt] have continued with us: but [they went out], that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
*** “Muhammad denied the Sonship of christ.”
ALSO WARNS TO TEST SPIRITS WHETHER TRUE OR FALSE.
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Ist epistle of John 4:1,2,3 verses
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
***”Muhammad says he is just a normal man like Adam”
So all together Quran rejects
1.Jesus Sonship (Thats the reason why they crucified Jesus as he says he is the Heir Son of God)
2.His death and resurrection(Apart from Gospels lot of historical proof)
3.The only salvation(there were over 300 prophecies regarding Jesus in old testament prior to his incarnation)
4.His incarnation (The only holy being on earth.Only for God its possible)
Quran totally attacks/contradicts bible where not even one concept regarding christ is matching regarding his position.A christian if he converts to Islam is a fool who didn’t investigate the bible thoroughly….
To Pure
i dont know, i guess your post was still waiting for confirmation, but i got an email of your reply
what do you mean the arabs during the dark ages compared the Quran and bible. They were pagans…. ok?
“when they studied the bible,its totally contradictory and hence in order to maintain the conviction that Quran is the word of God,they supposed that bible might have been corrupted.”
ok so now lets see if you still have ammo there, real ammo that does make people think. please be aware that im not so dumb. now, define “totally” contradictory
first lets see this one you probably do understand
Leviticus 15:24 “‘If a man has sexual relations with her and her monthly flow touches him, he will be unclean for seven days; any bed he lies on will be unclean.”
and then,
al Baqarah 222 “They ask about the monthly course. Say, “It is a state of impurity; *238 so keep apart from women during their monthly course and do not go near them until they are clean. *239 When they have cleansed themselves, then you may go to them in the manner Allah has ordained you.” *240 Most surely Allah loves those people who refrain from evil and keep themselves pure and clean.”
really, i hate to elaborate too much, one example is enough to show you were exaggerating on the “totally” part, but for more peace and tolerance….
The Quran also tells the story of a calf while Moses is gone. A man called “the Samari” (Yusuf Ali) or “the Samaritan” (Arberry) is blamed for protagonizing their idolatry.
“…utter care and they have carry forwaded the scriptures till date”
then explain the verses taken out and verses put in. please dont try and answer this, you would probably smear your name, even reverend jimmy swaggart couldnt answer this question by ahmad deedat. but on second thought, do. if doing so still doesnt open your mind i dont know what will
an-naba’ 33. And young full-breasted (mature) maidens of equal age
the previous lines are talking about heaven. so, to reach there, real people will strive to be good. as in the previous obscene example from the bible
so? does it give ‘ideas’ on how people can attempt rape or fornication? (i dont wish to remind the verse, its obscene enough and im fasting, so for other readers, you can refer my older posts)
and dont try to fight who has more ammo on this. your ammo, as i rebutted just now, were clearly weak. and to add to that i find many sites compiling them.
but if you think you want to fight and see who has more stuff to throw, do try it. i want to say im not so good about my islamic knowledge, but i still know some.
but to add, i dont think that 72 girls you said is in the Quran. please do check your sources. and please
“With this you need to know that the God of the bible is different from God of the Quran”
God is God but ok so lets see who do you actually worship. and maybe i can share what is God to us muslims too
AND….. i still dont think you answered my questions. im waiting here. please, if you find it hard to justify christianity, please, be assured, christianity is not the real path. there is still chance for you to find the real path.
what are you scared of? are you scared if you are not christian your parents/family/friends will be mad? are you scared that the community will hate you?
be brave. if you find the true path, just take it, God would probably reward this bravery. would you cower, still following those around you, even if you know what you are doing is wrong.
Remember prophet Abraham and his courage to destroy idols and to refuse to worship idols even though the community he lives in worship those idol? its from the Quran, but most probably christians know his story too.
be brave in doing right, be afraid of doing wrong.
with this i guess im burnt out. kinda tired now. so i hope you will think this over…
bye for now
p/s (to the site managers, sorry if this is too abrupt where you couldnt finish checking Pure’s post, but i got the site’s message about a reply and im playing safe. no one knows when they will die, so i want to reply to Pure as fast as possible. assalamualiakum)
To pure
Im not so good when its about religion. But i once learnt from a friend, its about the philosophy why we muslims prefer to ask for forgiveness from God(istigfar) rather than praising God(tasbih)
“a dirty cloth needs more soap than perfume”
so what i ask you to do is deal with the problems you had instead of putting more problems on the table. Dont add more before answering, people may judge you and assume you are running away from answering those questions
So let me remind you.
i numbered it so answer according to number
1. do show us the discrepancies in the Quran. Please dont even try to say the Quran is different from the bible then you straight away say the Quran is not right. Lets see which religion is the real one first. Then we can conclude we are going to follow which one.
2. the bible had verses taken out, and verses put back in.
3. the Quran translations has the original arabic text, and any tahfiz(people who memorized the whole Quran) would surely know if theres anything wrong.
Q: does most english bible have the original syrian text? its yes or no. easy question, i find it funny why you didnt answer that
4. now this is just about ethics. explain how could childbirth need atonement as if its a sin?
5. why did the system to punish fornication is like nothing to the rich?
6. how could stories of people committing rape and stories of people asking people to “go to bed” with them could be in a ‘holy’ book?
7. it says ‘drink’ wine and also ‘dont drink’ wine but in moderation. let me tell you many people misjudge their intake. So im saying this system has flaws
8. why does the bible calls god “God” and another god(according to you), “lord”. and its in a same verse. according to you, they are same, but somehow they are not equal in this verse
9. why, would you appoint a priest, to “forgive” the sins of the people, if you said all your sins are forgiven because some people crucified someone approximately 2000 years ago
so please do admit it if your (current) system has a lot of flaws. it does, so lets cross it out from the list of religions. now you have one less religion to guess which one is the right one. There could only be one true religion.
Dont die with the wrong one and be judged by God in the hereafter as a non believer of this particular religion. Even if you were sort of like told from small, your religion is the true one, open your mind and see.
Learn about Islam and its ways, then see for yourself if this religion seems right or not. please, no one knows when will they die. imagine if you have an accident and die and at the point of death you are not on the true religion…
embrace Islam, be brave, go meet a person who can show you what is Islam.
Hi Danial,
I like to give point to point answering only.i dont want to skip or fear for something,as i do what i believe,but not blindly.And also iam against debates,rather for a friendly online discussion which would encourage us to know the truth.
1.”do show us the discrepancies in the Quran.”
Answer: I already told you that in 31309 verses u gave some errors of 101.but in just 6000 verses of Quran we gave you more.the point is if you have got an answer to them,we too have an answer for the ones you claim against bible.
*** Already i asked you to show me a sinle book on earth which is fully compatible with Quran.atleast one,because in the Quran it says all the previous scripture was confirmed and also that he is the last messanger.If he is really the last messanger,wont there atleast one book which is fully compatiblw with Quran?that means all the previous scriptures are corrupted?Not even one book allah guarded?is he that much weak or else not-reliable God?Thats why we say that God of bible nd Quran are different.You say allah is weak and he was not able to protect any of the books he sent earlier.but our God yahweh gave 66 books,which were writen at diferent times and places and hence in complete agreement nd harmony.
****What is there to boast in the Quran iam not understanding.
You have to ask this question if the Quran is really a risk barer
There were no prophecies at all in it,to point errors in that segment.it just took no risk.Also if we see any miracles in the history thru prophet?Answer is No.
Also if we observe,it avoided all the statements which bear risk.Ex:
reg Noah’s flood,the time was also mentioned i bible.But not in Quran?whats the fear to mention?No risk taken and asking to show errors.
No Miracles,no prophecies.Only thing you show to prove Quran is Scientific facts.
And if we observe there,already many of the scientific facts told in Quran are already mentioned in bible,and in other sources of Greek works BC.
–>Iam asking you whats great in Quran?
There is a proverb saying hat “Job is Man’s feature/symptom”
Like wise prophecy should be Prophet of God’s feature /Symptom.
IN torah,in Deut 18:18.19,the verses you use to prove this is about muhmad,states or gives test for a prophet,i.e;if a prophet prophecies and it doesnt take place,he is not from God.
With the above regard,muhmad is disqualified as a prophet,he uttered none,done no miracles like moses.
2. “The bible had verses taken out, and verses put back in.”
Answer:In the NIV,it omitted some verses of KJV.they were removed from the translation,but not from the original bible manuscripts we have today.Nothing is removed or added from the original copy of the bible,but while they have translated to other languages,they removed some,which are duplicated ones.
I mean the removed verse was already repeated in some other place in the bible,it didnt change or affect the doctrine at all.
3. “the Quran translations has the original arabic text”
does most english bible have the original syrian text? its yes or no. easy question, i find it funny why you didnt answer that”
Answer:
Initially the Gospels were written in greek language from a period ranging from 50 Ad to 100AD,which contained parts of the words used in Aramic(Syria).Then in 150 Ad,from the original scripts,were translated the Old testament in to greek ,calling it a septugiant.We have parchaments of the orignal gospels till now.
There are over 5,300 known ancient Greek manuscript copies (MSS) and fragments of the New Testament in Greek that have survived until today.
Counting an additional 10,000 Latin Vulgate and over 9,300 other early manuscript versions in Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, Gothic, and Ethiopic, totaling over 24,000 surviving manuscripts of the New Testament.
***Do u think that bible is small book like Quran with no prophecies,no miracles and that too 70% of it is already there in bible and other sources?
Bible is the mother of all books.It didnt contain any story copied from earlier versions,nor do it have any scientific facts copied from other sources like Quran.
4. “now this is just about ethics. explain how could childbirth need atonement as if its a sin?”
Answer: Lord Jesus told that until and unless you have a child heart,you cant enter the kingdom of God.That means Children if they die,they will be i heaven.
Hope this answers your Question.
5.” why did the system to punish fornication is like nothing to the rich?”
I didnt understand your Question.Let me know properly.i will answer you in detail.
6. “how could stories of people committing rape and stories of people asking people to “go to bed” with them could be in a ‘holy’ book?”
Answer:At the beginning time,there were no morals until God had taught the law of 10 commandements and the law of moses,which includes some hundreds of laws about what is Good and what is right.So bible gave the description of what they did at that time(ancient) regarding rapes etc.Bible just reported the sin at that time,also reported the penality God made for them.if this is not mentioned how do we know how God punished?.but it was not the God’s intenet.He punished them.
Iam asking the same Question to you..
here God himself in Quran says
Muhammad Al-Hilali & Muhsin Khan:
Verily, for the Muttaqoon, there will be a success (Paradise);
Gardens and grapeyards;
And young full-breasted (mature) maidens of equal age;
Here God himself says that He will give you Wine ,72 girls with big eyes ,swelling breasts etc..
Can you ask your child or your mother to memorize this and you discuss this with them..
I now challenge you can you show a single verse in the bible where God says i will provide girls,boys to you to have sex,and i will give you liquor ..njoyy?
Show me where God himself encourages all these?1 single verse from 31309 verses of Bible.
7. “it says ‘drink’ wine and also ‘dont drink’ wine but in moderation.let me tell you many people misjudge their intake.”
Answer:God’s intent was not to drink wine which is now with full of alcohol mixed.
He permitted to drink Wine(Grape juice that too in moderation).But if we see,he mostly condemned drinking alcohol clearly and any hard drink he condemned that.
8. “why does the bible calls god “God” and another god(according to you), “lord”. and its in a same verse. according to you, they are same, but somehow they are not equal in this verse”
Answer:You need to understand that God is a triune being.for this to understand you need to read material posted in answering-islam site.I too can give you reply ,but it takes long pages.If you want me only to explain iam ready let me know.You will be fully satisfied.Any way the verse you quoted,i will answer at a first Go.
1 Corinthians8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
This was written by Paul.lets assume that paul was not supporting trinity and that he believed God is one person.
IN the above verse you observe ,see the statement below applied to both father and Jesus
“from whom all things came and for whom we live”.
If he believed in God as only one person how he applies it to both,in a similar way?
It will be a blashphemy..So even paul believed that God manifested in flesh
check -I Tim 3:16 written by paul.No flaws in it.Even trinity is mentioned in old testament also,already sam debated that against muslims and he Won the debate also.
9.”why, would you appoint a priest, to “forgive” the sins of the people, if you said all your sins are forgiven because some people crucified someone approximately 2000 years ago”
Answer:This question shows your innocence reg bible
Previoulsy for Sins remission in hte Old testament times,God ordained shedding of the blood thru appointed priest on behalf of God.
Now we dont follow that any more.Christ acted as our priest as once for all gave himself as an atonment for all.But the fathers in the church were just the Guides.nothing to do with them.
Finally i would say that there were no flaws in the bible or the System.Dont say religion,as religion is not taught in the bible.There is one God and one religion only.
But you need to understand why jesus has mentioned/warned so many times that false prophets would come and deviate.Think about this.Why alone after jesus,it was warned in the bible very stronly several times…about this?
Initailly battle began between God and Satan,and then Satan succesfully cheated humans and then it was successfully in making God angry on us and destroy us(Noah,sodomah Gomorah etc..).And this goes on and on.Sin kept on increasing and nobody was eligible to heaven.Satan was successfull at that time but not now,with the Death and resurrection of Jesus,God defeated the satan reg Death and defeated sin with the atonment of a holy being,sheeding blood of holy being,which is prophecied in many books of old testament,in upanishads,in puranas,in vedas,in buddha scripts,that for remission of Sins God would give his blood shed on behalf of his people to save them.thru which we attained salvation.
And this was fullfilled in none other than Jesus christ in history.
Now the satan’s every attempt is to deviate everybody from this Gospel so that it makes all ineligible to heaven and to become victorious against God.If it says Christ not crucifed,its not from God.Its from satan because,the person if he dies with out accepting jesus,dies with his Sins and goes to hell.
Thats why jesus warned very very very stronly so many times in the bible to be cautious..
He said prophets will come in my name and they will deceive you .And he said they may appear to be righteous in their ways but they will deceive you .
Already i mentioned to you with verses how it was prophecised abou islam.
Open you mind ,heart and do a research of why Jesus Warned.. Accept the Lord who gave Life for you so that you wont be perished..
Thanks,
Research on this one point and you would come to christ.
to Pure
sorry for being too offensive. i totally misunderstood you ‘tone’ in the last reply. it sounded offensive then. ok so if a friendly talk is what you are finding, then lets talk. haha. so here goes my 2 cents
“all the previous scripture was confirmed” the quran did acknowledge christians and jews. thats why in the quran they(also you) are called “people of the book” e.g.
al Imran 199. And there are, certainly, among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), those who believe in Allah and in that which has been revealed to you, and in that which has been revealed to them, humbling themselves before Allah. They do not sell the Verses of Allah for a little price, for them is a reward with their Lord. Surely, Allah is Swift in account
“fully compatible with Quran”. sorry for not replying that earlier. overlooked it because it seem small. i dont think God would send a newer version of guidance if the previous books have covered it all. The Quran is not only a religious book. in it is also about how we should live. do you notice how islamic banking is rising? islamic banking is done according to the quran.
so if possible, try getting a translated copy of the Quran and read it. Im assuming you are doing missionary work, so you should study us a lot before doing it. but please be aware the the arabic word thats translated as we is used by the ‘high ranks’ in arab. even the british royals used ‘we’. now, i dont know about nowadays
im not a bible reader, so im saying i didnt find anything like that. yeah remember what i showed exists in the bible, so i dont want to restate or add more of such verses. please refrain from using that ‘nnjoy’ word. it sounds sarcastic and makes me think youre on the offensive.
“that means all the previous scriptures are corrupted?” as you yourself said, a part of the bible was written by human, or the pope. just to share, a prophet would be higher than a pope, would you agree. do you seriously think prophet Abraham pbuh or Moses pbuh less noble.
but as i have explained, the Quran and Bible do have similarities. so they still does match each other.
ok so lets assume the true religion would be accepted worldwide would be very popular as they can be accepted by we human. so lets name two biggest ones. Christian and Muslim. surely ‘if’ you believe in thousands of prophecies why wouldnt it say about the fastest growing religion now (Islam).
here’s one story from the bible.
The chief priests and Levites asked John the Baptist, “If you are not the Christ (Messiah), and not Elijah – are you THAT Prophet?” [Bible – John 1:20]
what other big religion other than christianity…? it is Islam.(refer 2 paragraph up, God’s religion would be popular). If God sent a prophet, would you reject God’s gift?
prophecies are for future events. I think the world is about to end and no newer prophets now…. who says we dont have our prophecies?
indeed, earthquakes are on the rise now, and please not that atom is the nearest word to translate in english(i guess) i dont know…
Al Zalzalah
1. When the earth is shaken with its (final) earthquake.
2. And when the earth throws out its burdens,
3. And man will say: “What is the matter with it?”
4. That Day it will declare its information (about all what happened over it of good or evil).
5. Because your Lord has inspired it.
6. That Day mankind will proceed in scattered groups that they may be shown their deeds.
7. So whosoever does good equal to the weight of an atom (or a small ant), shall see it.
8. And whosoever does evil equal to the weight of an atom (or a small ant), shall see it.
im just copying and paste.
al Isra 104 And after him We said to the Children of Israel, ‘Dwell Ye in the promised land; and when the time of the promise of the Latter Days come, We shall bring you together out of various people’
you can see how Israel formed with different races like sephardic, askenazi and the jews.
an Nisa 56 Surely! Those who disbelieved in Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) We shall burn them in Fire. As often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for other skins that they may taste the punishment. Truly, Allah is Ever Most Powerful, All-Wise
if you know easy biology you know the skin is a sensory organ. please note that the phrase “…change them for other skins THAT they may taste the punishment…”
people 1500 ago naturally wouldnt have known this
also a hadith(this is not Quran, ok. its sayings of the prophet Muhammad pbuh)
No one should sail on the sea except the one who is going to perform Hajj or ‘Umrah , or the one who is going to fight in Allah’s path for under the sea there is a fire, and under the fire there is a sea.
scientists believe under the crust is the mantle then outer core and then inner core. the mantle is semi solid and the outer core is LIQUID.
Matthew 26:29 I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father’s kingdom
some christians try to justify this because drinking wine is a sin. we muslims and christians agree with that right?
to us we easily answer “wine” in heaven part.
al Waqiah
17. They will be served by immortal boys,
18. With cups, and jugs, and a glass from the flowing wine,
19. Wherefrom they will get neither any aching of the head, nor any intoxication.
20. And fruit; that they may choose.
you said “Christ acted as our priest as once for all gave himself as an atonment for all”
“once and for all” still wouldnt justify the need for a priest to forgive sins if really all sins were forgiven because of that cruxification
“satan’s every attempt is to deviate everybody from this Gospel”
you cant prove which way. actually it is satan thats trying to keep you on that path
Matthew 24:5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many
did prophet Muhammad pbuh said “I am Christ”. so this does not refer to prophet Muhammad. easy…
want to know what the bible said about prophet muhammad? maybe you would want to know how could this be overlooked by bible scholars? how could this muslim talk about the bible?
its about the same thing as the vid here but if you cant hear clearly, here’s something in writing so you can scan properly
http://www.answering-christianity.com/ahmed_deedat_muh_bible.htm
Hi Danial,
As the Quran has confirmed the scripture that went before,i;e Torah,Zabur and injil
,As a muslim you need to read the bible first.
At least i suggest read the books where Muhmad is mentioned as you said.
i.e; Deuteronomy,Isaiah in the old testament and Gospel of John in the New testament
Just read these 3 books and you find so much discrepany..alot..
So according to you ,the scripture that matches is uncorrupted and the unmatching one is corrupted right.
So at a first Go,
Read deuteronomy first as i think in Quran,it didnt say that Torah is corrupted.So from your view lets assume that as Muhmad is mentioned in the Deuteronomy,the whole book of Deuteronmy in the whole Torah(of 5 books) is uncorrupted.
After you read it,you say that whole book talks about Laws like ten commandemants,and law of moses which ordains shedding blood of Sheep,goats for the remission of Sins.
In the second go ,then lets assume that the only chapter in the whole torah(of 5 books) ,that matched the Quran is the Deut 18,as Muhmad is mentioned in it.
After reading the whole of 18th chapter alone,you find still it didnt match the Quran,as it mentions shedding blood for remission.So what to conclude?Whole Torah is corrupted except deut 18:18,19 ?Thats what iam asking .produce a book fully compatible.Not partly…IF this is corrupted,then how come he is confirming the old revelation in Quran iam not at all understanding?See i have no anger on muhmad nor on Quran.Iam seeking to find the truth.
As per my knowledge,iam believing that All muslims and even Muhmad is innocent because he thought he got a Revelation from Gabriel.What is the proof that it is Gabriel?As per the bible it clearly said that Satan would dress himself like an Angel of light.
Please see the video in You tube
The Truth about Satan’s Religion Islam – YouTube
“www.youtube.com/watch?v=shYVRP5zuyU”
Dont get me wrong..just see if its really true..just investigate.
Also lets assume that Gospel of John is uncorrupted because it says about muhmad.Read the whole Gospel of John,it will be totally contradictory to Quran.
Ok now lets do one thing Take at least the chapters where muhmad is mentioned were uncorrupted.
John 14:16 “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever”
John 15:26 “But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me”
John 14:26 “But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”
Also John 16:7-14 .
That means lets assume that chapter 14,15,16 alone in the whole of the new testament is uncorrupted as Muhmad is mentioned in these chapters.
Considering above criteria,it still contradicts the whole doctrine of Quran.
So what to say now u decide.
Ex:in John 14:13,14 verse,Jesus said that He answers prayers if anything is asked in his name.I will Quote the verse.
John 14:14 If you ask anything in my name i will do it.
That means Jesus says that he answers prayers.for him to answer prayers,if all were asking at the same time,he shud be omni present.if he is listening to all,then he shud be omniscient.That means he shhud be God.If he answeres prayers,then he is God otherwise it is blaspheming saying that i will answer your prayers.
So it contradicts Quran totally.
Will it mean that John 14:16 is uncorrupted and John 14:14,15 is corrupted?Is there any logic in it?
How much of it is corrupted/uncorrupted?
How much did Allah garded the old testaments?
And regarding Israel reformation,already this prophecy is mentioned in bible prior to Quran before christ in
Ezekiel 34:13 and Isaiah 49:13-17:
“And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.”
Also regarding Earth Quakes and Tsunmais,already these were mentioned in bible before christ and at the time of christ ,he himself said.
Disciples asked jesus to show the signs before you would come again
So he said the below which also included earth Quakes.mathew24 th chapter.you would be astonished.Please read it its important.this one chapter is enough.
–>The point in want to mention is that this Gospel of Jesus would be preached to all nations and untill then end wont come.This prophecy is fulfilling right now in our generation.Now throughout the world,this Gospel is being preached that Jesus died for our sins and if whosoever believes in him will never perish.
Before end come,this Gospel will be preached.that means any other Gospel apart from this is not from God,which is totally rejecting Christ crucifixion.(Please read mathew 24th chapter)
*** No priest needed for forgiving Sins..U were wrong or else u were guided wrong.nothing to do with priests reg salvation.
******And regading scientific facts,there were so many even in Bible.that will not solve our problem if we mention them,in either books..
–>Heaven is a place where God resides,if he wants us to be holy in this place where ful of Sin and humans reside,how much it would be for paradise where God resides?We cant imagine that way described in Quran,after we read the whole bible.
*****And also i heard that according to bible prophecy,Islam will spread more and will dominate the world.This has to be done before Jesus comes.I will let you know the details once i study it.iam not sure about it.I will let you know shortly about full details on islam in endtimes.You will be astonished.
See iam telling my objections to accept islam right.Tell me your objection on christianity.
Lets see whats wrong and whats right sincerly..This is just a friendly discussion.i too will defntly study the Quran and haddits..i will defnetly do a research..
To Pure
Hi again. sorry was busy recently, ucas and stuff. i havent even done my personal statement for it yet haha. and my a level results coming out today…
yes it does confirm the scriptures before it, but God sent the Quran for a reason. the bible, as you yourself said had things added by Paul.
in al Maaidah 3 “…This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion…”
i believe Islam is complete already, so i dont need to read much of other scriptures. Why would i lets say, given a choice by my parents to choose 2 phones, go and choose the older models. surely i would want the newer versions. just an analogy
“the whole book of Deuteronmy in the whole Torah(of 5 books) is uncorrupted”
sorry to say, you can prove whats corrupted(by the discrepancies) but you cant easily prove if something is not.
“produce a book fully compatible”. and sorry, if any are even fully compatible, we wouldnt necessarily need to read the Quran.
“Iam seeking to find the truth” thanks. now lets see one easy thing.
why, do babies need to be baptised in christianity?
one of the reasons is they believe the babies has sins from their ancestors
and yet christians believe Galatians 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden
now let me tell you who is God. in Islam we also call our god al-Adl (means The Just/ The Equitable)
God is just and fair. newborns, to us muslims are pure and clean of sins. they havent done anything to the world yet, right?
so this shows already christianity is not the true path…
which is why i keep showing you bible verses, one, to show you what is wrong with it(more accurately what had been done to it)
second, because you sound christian, so you would be well versed with them…
“If you ask anything in my name i will do it”
So who is the slave? who is the God? what i believe, when we pray, it is God who chooses to fulfill it and when God will give it to us.
God doesnt necessarily would give what we want, but God could replace it with something better.
But about this, i have not much knowledge, and i might be wrong here too.
so i think you should refer better muslims who know about God more if you want to check what is Islam. sorry for my lack of knowledge
“you would be astonished”. not really. the Quran says about earthquakes too and that i already knew the Quran and bible does have some similarities. haha but this is cool in a way. once a habshah king(christian), when asked to accept Islam, learnt about Islam and concluded they are like two rays of light that came from the same source ie sun. haha so here goes. your work there on that side is to see which we have in common.
1. sun rise from the west
2. Dajjal will come(the fake messiah). God permits him to have powers to trap people into believing he is God. but prophet Jesus pbuh will defeat this dajjal later…
3. rain will decrease
4. fornication spread
5. “a woman will give birth to her own boss” you can see this by watching teens nowadays. its sad actually…
lots more but most i forgot… ok back to serious things.
“…throughout the world,this Gospel is being preached…”
no big deal. in fact Islam is growing faster than christianity. We have many ex christians(eg my father) and scientists too.
so i guess as a conclusion. Ive already stated how christianity is not the true path. babies having sins, and if the older scriptures had said about prophet Muhammad pbuh, why wouldnt you accept him as a prophet, and that his teachings really are from God? and about bible added by human. where verse get removed, and verses got put in… its late already where i am. and i have class in 6 hours (need to sleep and sahur), want to write more but im tired
p/s: please do(the research). its good for you to know our differences too. only then you can compare. If God wills that you didnt choose Islam after that, then it is your choice. and remember that some arab words dont translate to english perfectly, learn the root word and time when the surah came if in doubt…
Hi Danial,
I was very busy last 2 days and hence late reply..
I want to address each nd every point carefully because you misunderstood christianity.
You need to check the old scriptures,to see if really the Quran is a word from God.If islam is from the same God,then we might have definetly accepted.It not only contradicts new testament but also the old testament.
For ex:in the future,if some one says that God gave a new revelation,will u blindly accept it?No.you will see if its compatible with the Quran?
Yes you want to choose new models of phone;
Lets say Sony is the God’s company,
lets say For every 5 yrs its releasing new models,and ppl are buying them.But suddenly another dummy company,whcich is not samsung,but made a similar phone like samsung,saying that we are from Samsung and we are the agents and they have sold you the similar one which looked like the old phone but totally different functionality,then what would you do?You might be feeling that you are using the newer version of the same samsung,but not originally and you have been deceived by them.
Also the samsung company said that many false agents would come and deceive you,still you have brought the same phone,then you are on the wrong path.
Similar way,lord jesus told
Luke 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets will arise, and show signs and wonders, to seduce even the elect, if it were possible.
You say Quran is a miracle of miracles.who did it?
You say Quran is a book of Signs.Who did it?
Quran claim that it came from the same God but it totally contradicted all the previous scriptures totally.It said that the previous scriptures were corrupted.Does God agree that the old scriptures have been corrupted?Our God(Yahweh) wont agree.
I said 66 books were written in different times and different places,by 40 godly appointed prophets ,but all the books are in complete harmony.this is itself a proof that its from God
For ex:as per your view,u say 67th book is Quran(new model),sent by God.
I say that if you pick the odd one out,it will be Quran.
If you say corrupted,you have to do one thing.Either you have to show the original gospel sent by Allah or else stop saying corrupted.Did allah agree that the scriptures he sent were corrupted.He said in the Quran,that We sent Quran,and we have Guarded it.Allah also says that he sent Torah thru moses and Injit thru Jesus.Then how these be corrupted?If you are saying corrupted,shamefully why are you using bible scriptures reg Muhmad fortold in bible?
you are misguided.You are agreeing that Allah’s word is corrupted and that Allah is weak.
If its corrupted.then why there is archeological accuracy,prophectic acuracy?
There were no discrepancies in the bible.They portrayed that way to spread islam.
you say bible is writen by man.
Please use your common sense plz.
In Quran God told that he sent 1024 prophets before Quran,and 343 messangers and he sent book to very community.
You cant produce any one book on earth which Allah stated above ,which is compatable with Quran.But we can.we have 66 books which are of course new versions,but not contradict basic doctrine.
Did Allah directly gave book to Muhammad?Muhammad is illetrate and hence he dictated the words of Gabriel(not sure if its Gabriel no proof)and even its written by man.
Like wise bible is written by holy prophets of God like Moses,jehoshuah,ezekeil,isaiah etc..
One point to mention,Muhammad confirmed the Gospel and Torah at that time,when the Quran is revealed,that means he accepted the new testament and the old testament.
Paul is the appointed prophet of Jesus to spread the Gospel to nations.You cant produce a single book which i compatible with the old scriptures ,but we can.Paul is in sync with the gospel of Jesus,otherwise we might have rejected him too.
He didnt add anything new.He just said what all the Jesus said and also everytime he speaks,he quoted from the old testament or Jesus word and explained it.
nothing is corrupted .if it says corrupted,then it is the saying of Satan only.God doesnt agree that his word is corrupted.
***”why, do babies need to be baptised in christianity?
one of the reasons is they believe the babies has sins from their ancestor”
A:I want to clarify this to you.Babies no need to be baptised to go to jannah.
They even dont carry the Sins of their ancestors.They are also pure and clean.But they carry the Sinful human nature.Not the Sins.
Even jesus ,when on cross,the robber beside him,asked Jesus that,o lord when you go to your Kingdom,remember me.Then Jesus said you will be there with me in the kingdom of God.That robber didnt get baptized,but Jesus said that he will be in Kingdom of God.
Yes yuhave lack of knowledge on some things,which needs to be improved.
Study properly.Dont go in a blind fold and cheat yourself.
See he is not prophecised in the Bible yaar.this prophecy does not refer to him.
Deut 18:18.John 14:16 etc.
See you quoted John 1:20 right
The chief priests and Levites asked John the Baptist, “If you are not the Christ (Messiah), and not Elijah – are you THAT Prophet?” [Bible – John 1:20]
IN the above verse,people were asking John,who is an isralite.Not ishmalite.that means,they were expecting the prophet to come from Isralite not ishmalite.With this first go,Muhammad is disqualified.
The Jews were in doubt at that time,and have misunderstood the prophecy in Isaiah/deuteronomy,but later when Jesus did some miracles,then the same people confessed that this is the prophet who is to come in the world and they praised him,because Moses also did miracles,they confirmed him.Also Jesus himself said that Moses wrote about him.Not muhammad.
Please study properly dont go on the wrong path.
And regarding the people converting to Islam,no wonder for us as in bible it clearly said the verse below.
“So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him” (Revelation 12:9).
Rev 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Allah name in Arabic is nothing but Serpent Symbol(Mark of the Beast).Please see the Youtube video that i attached in the previous slide.
Come to straight path..Accept Jesus as your saviour who put the life for yu so that you would not perish..
to Pure
its ok everyone has real life. we are all busy once in a while.
“to see if really the Quran is a word from God”
no problem. i also read the Quran and i dont find any perverted teachings in it. the laws in the Quran all seem logic to me. theres this one person strongly attached to christianity. he once thought like ‘hey im christian but i never had read the bible cover to cover, only certain verses’ then he started reading and felt disturbed about how the bible portrays God’s prophets. e.g. prophets doing incest, planning murder, and stuff. he ignored. but after some time he just couldnt accept that prophets could even do those things
moreover, its ramadhan, my friends and i read the Quran more often. and we plan to finish the whole Quran by the end of this month, hopefully…
“if some one says that God gave a new revelation,will u blindly accept it”
prophet Muhammad pbuh was the last prophet to be sent. and since prophet Adam pbuh up till around 1500 years ago, Islam had been completed (refer the verse i showed you).
“another dummy company” seriously, dude? i think i can safely conclude you were lying on the “friendly online discussion” and the “to know the truth” part. you seem to be already hardwired as if Islam is wrong. the truth ha been shown only that you refused to see it. i have many times shown you the discrepancies of the bible. i even state the verse location, unlike you and your stories of 72 girls. and you claim that the Quran also has something wrong in it. but those were just claims… so i think my points were better. you never gave any proofs, you did, but those were refuted so its not usable anymore. lets see if theres more ammo over there
“You say Quran is a miracle of miracles.who did it?”
it was Gods words taught to prophet Muhammad through Jibril.
“You say Quran is a book of Signs.Who did it?”
ive already stated many scientific facts from the Quran. Our meanings need not be stretched, they were only hidden as if stating regular things but a closer look proves them true
Lets not keep playing this game. you always say that the Quran was actually taught by satan. but lets not talk without proof. produce the discrepancies in the Quran if it really is true. but please dont trap yourself while doing so
“…totally contradicted…”
once again i have to say, ive already stated the similarities of the Quran and bible. youre lying on the ‘totally’ part. dont lie.
“we have 66 books which are of course new versions”
haha how new? so its a word from human not a word from God
“Did allah agree that the scriptures he sent were corrupted”
al Maaidah 13 13. So because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard. They change the words from their (right) places and have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. And you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them. But forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds). Verily, Allah loves Al-Muhsinun (good-doers)
“or else stop saying corrupted”
why? ive already showed the discrepancies in the bible used nowadays. so whats stopping me from saying things ive shown
“not sure if its Gabriel no proof”
not sure if its NOT Jibril no proof
prove something with something solid next time. i use verses at least. something that if theres any difference with the original will be noticed.
“confirmed the Gospel and Torah at that time,when the Quran is revealed,that means he accepted the new testament and the old testament”
yes ive read about our prophet sentencing a Jew by their own laws from the Taurat. but im dont ever know if he ever used a bible to sentence the punishment of a christian. use a hadith if you can find one or not people wont believe what point you state
“Paul is in sync with the gospel of Jesus,otherwise we might have rejected him too”
do you remember….
“lets assume that paul was not supporting trinity and that he believed God is one person”?
bravo you guys rejected him too?
remember when you typed “You need to understand that God is a triune being”
now dont keep shifting things and suddenly announce you dont support trinity as well as other christians
“A:I want to clarify this to you.Babies no need to be baptised to go to jannah.
They even dont carry the Sins of their ancestors.They are also pure and clean.But they carry the Sinful human nature.Not the Sins.”
i checked a christian site to make sure i wasnt just quoting what other people said. it is one of the reasons why they baptise babies.
checking what you stated i found out you still didnt answer properly
“1.)Is it rational for someone to carry the sins of others?
A:Initially Adam nd eve sinned and lost the morality and god punished them.Due to the Sin at that time (noah’s days),God brought flood,during sodomah gomorah,God destroyed them with fire.You see god cant bare humans Sinning.Because if we sin,we are favouring Satan his enemy.So God ordained shedding the blood of goats,sheep for remission of Sins earlier days.Still Sin was increasing and nobody is eligible for heaven.So in the bible,it was Gods old plan that he sends Jesus(his only Son)as a remission of Sins once for all so that everybody who believes in Jesus and obeys him will not perish,and can stand before God.Imagine the same God keeping Quiet now when Sin was multiplied to infinity.Only because jesus laid his Life.”
you only said why we need to discard our sins somehow. we all agree with that, no need to talk about this. this still doesnt show why God would let ‘someone’ suffer so that ‘someone else’ gets their sins “forgiven”. God is fair and just.
“Serpent Symbol”??
youre delusioned. and brainwashed
“Accept Jesus as your saviour”
one day when Dajjal comes. prophet Jesus pbuh will come and defeat this jin. but that does not mean i will worship him. he is not a god.
“Come to straight path” ive shown how christianity is not straight.
bye
Alhamdulillah, great lecture for believer.
After many years the truth still shining, thats a favour from Allah.
Theres no need to fight from ourselves, its better we ask for guidance
from the Lord. Its Him to decide who He will guide and not..
Hi Danial,
Iam sorry if at all any thing wrong i spoke about Islam or Allah or Muhammad.Its not my opinion to win over you or else to prove christianity,but as Jesus told to preach the Gospel to all,iam doing my Job.Whether u accept it or not ur wish.
You said it seems logic to you.Prophets doing incest etc..
Prophet David did some sin which is against God,and he received the punishment and later on he repented and cried to God,after which God heard his prayer and blessed him.What’s wrong if its mentioed in the bible.How many muslim sites should i show you ,who say that Haddits are corrupted.How many do you want?How many battles did muhammad did and killed how many?Also he orders to rape the woman in the Haddits.I think you know haddits too.Because of this,some muslims considered Haddits were corrupted.
Quran it self says that we can have sex with the slaves?is this from God?
ROM THE QURAN – 23:5,6
“…who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them…”
next iam quoting from hadits
A man will have intercourse in Paradise with his wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn and his wives from among the people of this world, if they enter Paradise with him. A man will be given the strength of a hundred men to eat, drink, feel desire and have sexual intercourse. It was narrated from Anas that the Prophet said: “The believer in Paradise will be given such and such strength for sexual intercourse.” He was asked, “O Messenger of Allaah, will he really be able to do that?” He said, “He will be given the strength of one hundred (men).” (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, no. 2459. He said, (it is) saheeh ghareeb). Sunan al-Tirmidhi #2459
Will God choose this person as a Prophet?just to ask your heart.
*** Who told you he is the Last prophet of God,except Quran?IN bible,its not related to Muhammad and you have no right to use bible shamelessly as you say it is corrupted.
if you say ,he is mentioned in vedas,puranas etc..,there in all those scriptures,they ask for blood shedding for the remission of Sins,and also there were even prophecies about Jesus crucifixion.So where is the problem?It shud be something wrong with Quran only then.
You Quoted
“al Maaidah 13 13. So because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard. They change the words from their (right) places and have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. And you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them. But forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds). Verily, Allah loves Al-Muhsinun (good-doers)”
The above verse was told after 600 yrs of new testament,after Jesus
There is no great in the above verse.Now see my verses from bible below
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2 Corinthians 11:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an ANGEL OF LIGHT.
Galatians 1:8-9
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
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Ist epistle of John 4:1,2,3 verses
About True Spirits to test.
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
***”Muhammad says he is just a normal man like Adam”
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BIBLE CLEARLY TELLS WHO IS THE ANTI-CHRIST
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Ist Epistle of John 2:18,19,22,23 verses
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would [no doubt] have continued with us: but [they went out], that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
*** “Muhammad denied the Sonship of christ.”
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***The point i want to mention is 600 yrs before,we were warned that false prophets would arise and also gave the criteria above to test.
One sripture says that in the future,you will receive wrong scriptures.Another scripture(Quran) says that in the past you received wrong scripture.
Whcich is Superior?Prediction is superior and i feel bible is superior.
And i have read Few suras of the Quran and most of the verses and target of this was to kick the christians and jews.So now i have shown you with proofs.And we confirmed that its not the word from God.
**everything iam telling ,iam giving you the proof.also from Quran i may not give the exact verse number,because i hope you know the Quran.so iam just giving the verses.
There were no discrepancies in the bible.Study and know it.Dont say blindly.
**This is the proof that its not Gabriel.Bcause Gabriel is the one who told mary that a king will be born and he will save all the mankind from their Sins.LUKE2:10,11
*** and regarding scientific facts,i already told you that only thing people use to prove Quran is science.BUt bible gives scientific facts+prophecies as well.Today bible has told the positions of all the nations of the world including Muslim countries,before christ.
world warI,II ,gulf war etc all were told in bible.See below verse
Isaiah 48:16
“Come near me and listen to this: “From the first announcement I have not spoken in secret; at the time it happens, I am there.” And now the Sovereign LORD has sent me, with his Spirit.
See from the beginning God didnt hide anything.He is telling us the things that will happen in the future,he sent prophets to tell these,also warning us to not accept false prophets,by giving criteria also.There were 100’s of prophecies till date .May be some 500 i guess,happended and happening.This is the True God,we can believe him.
*** Reg Paul,he too said God is ONE.but one God is triune he said.This is what Old testament also teaches.He is in sync.also he repeated what all Jesus said and asked him to tell.
** Reg babies baptising,no need to be baptised for sins,as they are Pure.I already said what Jesus christ told.He told unless u have Childrens heart,whcih is pure,you cannot enter kingdom of God.Cant you understand this?simple..They didnt baptise for sins removal.Bring infront of me any christian who baptised a small child for sins removal.Nobody does that.You misunderstood it.Please study properly.You are hard-wired about christianity that it is wrong.
I will discuss remaining objections in the next slide contd…
Hi Danial.
See i want to answer you Question about Sins remitance in detail so that you will understand the Doctrine of Christ in the Bible.
Initially Adam and Eve did Sin and lost the immorality and fell prey to sin (Satan).The Serpent deceived them.From then on sinful nature was carried to generations and sin was increased more.At the time of Noah,God brought flood because of the Sin at that time.Also during the time of Sodomah Gomorah,all were drinking,doing homosex,and doing adultery.At that time God consumed them with fire and killed them.I want you to note one thing.
***God is unbearable to Sin***God is unbearable to Sin**God is unbearable to Sin
From then on,God told or made a covenant that he will never punish humans this was by bringing Flood.But he ordained the shedding of blood of Goats,sheep etcc for the Remission of sins so that their sins be forgiven and appear righteous to Lord.Still the Sin is being increased and when God saw that all will perish as nobod is eligible for heaven,it was god’s Old plan that he will send his Son (Messaiah)Jesus once for all for the remission of sins,for who so ever believes in him,God gave permission to become his children only thru christ.Thats why Jesus said that
Iam the Way the truth and Life .No one comes to father except through me.John(14:6)
God declared it from the beginning by sending his prophets like Isaish,David,micah,zechariah etc..There were some 300 prophecies in the old testament about Jesus alone,that he will be manifested in flesh and he will save the world.
Isaiah 9:6 Prophecy of Isaiah
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this.
Isaiah 53:
5: But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6:All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
12: Therefore will I divide him [a portion] with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
And Jesus fullfilled all the 300 prophecies in the new testament.See the reliability of God .He promised,prophecied in the old testament and fullfilled in the new testament.
Also histrical record other than bible ,lot was there,famous historians recorded this.
Go to google,type “Historical Record for christ not crucified” You wont find any information in the first page itself out of millions of websites on W3C.
God himself manifested this love for humanity by sending his only son Jesus for all the mankind and made eligible to become his children who soever believeth him.
Immediately after this crucifixion nd Resurrectin took place,Jesus warned so many time about the false prophets who would arise ,deviate from this salvation.He has given criteria to see if its the spirit of god or not,also told sevral endtime prophecies that would come so that they may know when he will return to judge the people.
The book of revelation is full of prophecies about the nations,and about the anti-christ who would come and the false messaish who would come and about the single world government,and the status of all the big nations at endtimes.
He said false prophets would deceive.Do u know what is deceivement?
My analyzation is Quran told that Jesus was prophet of God,born mirculously,was holy,did miracles etc..but it denied Jesus Sonship,Jesus diety,mainly the God’s plan of Jesus crucifixion.This is the old plan of God not new one.That means it deceived you.It appeared so that it acknowledged jesus birth,his deeds and asserted that previous scripture was corrupted and made/deceived you ineligible for the gift of Jesus that God gave to the world.
Three things you need to ask yourself
1.Why is he called Messaiah(Saviour)if he is just a prophet sent to isralites as per Quran.(As per bible,he is called Saviour because he put his life for the mankind for remission of Sins)
2.Why should he be born miraculously without any male intervention,if he is just a normal prophet for isralites(As per bible,God was manifested in flesh)
3.what is the concept of anti-christ (Dajjal).Why is he called anti-christ.why is he called anti-christ specific if he is nothing to do for whole mankind.?
(as per Bible ,Anti-christ is the one who would deny the Sonship of Jesus,and also the one who rejects jesus manifestation in flesh)
Jesus told
John 8:58 (NIV) “I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”
Danial it was very cleared.You have been deceived by Satan…PLease open our eyes.
Jesus is coming very Soon to Judge all..We are in the end days.
******Finally how it deceived i will tell you.VERY IMPORTANT
In haddits it says that Jesus will come and defeat Dajjal,and then there would be only one religion i.e; Islam.
Ex:Lets assume its true.Then if Jesus comes,we will know the truth (say)that Islam is truth and as jesus tells,we all will accept Quran,and there wont be anyproblem for us as we accepted ALLAH.
But according to Bible,Jesus Second coming will be very ferocious.He will be coming like a lion to Judge the people,and it is the End.No option.No chance any more.
That is the End.Who ever accepted Jesus as saviour will be taken to heaven and who ever didnt believed him,will be left here itself at earth.No chance.
Jesus told that before End comes this Gospel shud be preached.
Jesus said that he will be landing on Mount of Olives just as the similar way he was raised to heaven after he was resurrected.
Do you know now in the world,many are trying to build Hotels on Moun of Olives but unable to build there as scientists say that this place will be broken into two parts in the future because of the crust inside?
**So if what is said in the hadits is right,then when Jesus comes ,we will convert to Islam and no Problem for us.But if what is written in the bible is right,then there is no option left.that is the End.
Till now what all the prophecies are there in revlation,all are happening exactly.if this is So ,then it is dangerous for you if you wont accept christ.Jesus Loves You…
haha at first when i saw the multiple replies i was like omg… is this guy desperate (and sorry, i dont know ur a guy or not). and i was about to ignore them
“Whether u accept it or not ur wish”
ok so to make things easy, no. ive already compared myself and i see you misunderstand a lot about us.
“Prophet David did some sin” to us, prophets only do minor sins and not major ones. so those stories in there are not believed easily.
there are hadith that are corrupted. those are called fake hadith (sorry i just direct translated from malay to english). and scholars know the strength of the memories and the honesty of the companions, so they know which are weak and which are not.
and reminder: hadith is not equal to the Quran. i dont know much of hadith. so dont you think i missed about you saying hadih is corrupted and at the same time use them as your points. thats self defeating. and your bible is written in the third person view. its not like: as ahmad deedat said “i said unto Moses” but in your bible, its usually like “God said unto Moses”… at least we dont mix the hadith and the Quran
“ROM THE QURAN – 23:5,6”
sorry im not a tahfiz so i dont memorize the whole Quran. what im saying is that i cant understand your numbering a.k.a. i cant recheck what you showed. so next time, show the full verse so people can find easily. and btw verse 23, 5 or 6 returned negative. we may understand if you state . i dont usually use this sign “:”, but i think bibles uses them because i usually see them like that
and i like zombie movies, theres this movie titled “zombieland” here’s a part of the script
– You’re not gonna shoot them, are you?
– Unless the shoot me.
Oh,,, let’s hope they shoot me.
so…
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
(P/S:if i get married and get a daughter, i wouldnt want to sell her. but i dont know about society throughout history… so i still think the taurat and injil is the old version for guidance to us humans)
and i still dont understand whats your problem if its in heaven. we arent allowed to do those things on earth. those are just rewards for supressing sexual desires on earth. do it on earth, then congratulations, you may get a ticket to hell. which is why i think youre brainwashed
“Also he orders to rape the woman in the Haddits”
prove it. and remember rape is not equal to marriage
(Deuteronomy 21:10-14) 10″When you go out to war against your enemies, and the LORD your God gives them into your hand and you take them captive, 11and you see among the captives a beautiful woman, and you desire to take her to be your wife, 12and you bring her home to your house, she shall shave her head and pare her nails. 13And she shall take off the clothes in which she was captured and shall remain in your house and lament her father and her mother a full month. After that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife.
“Who told you he is the Last prophet of God,except Quran?IN bible,its not related to Muhammad and you have no right to use bible shamelessly as you say it is corrupted.”
who says im using the bible? i was just showing you that the bible states about a prophet after Jesus pbuh.
about the last prophet, i didnt say the bible says so. what i said to you was that is our belief (not from bible). so check what you say. to refresh:
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“if some one says that God gave a new revelation,will u blindly accept it”
prophet Muhammad pbuh was the last prophet to be sent…
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and i didnt say that the bible said that prophet Muhammad pbuh was the last prophet. i was stating about Islam
“if you say ,he is mentioned in vedas,puranas etc..,there in all those scriptures,they ask for blood shedding for the remission of Sins,and also there were even prophecies about Jesus crucifixion.So where is the problem?It shud be something wrong with Quran only then.”
wow so are you 50% believe in christianity and 50% believe in Hindu and other percentage of other religion? where do you mean the prophecies are? i dont think you can prove it. unless if you stretch the “prophecies” and then claim them to mean as you like
“There is no great in the above verse.Now see my verses from bible below”
what??? its your choice if you dont think if its not great. it is, but lets get to the point.
FIRST: you asked “Did allah agree that the scriptures he sent were corrupted”
SECOND: i showed you whats in the Quran
CONCLUSION: i wasnt even thinking of showing off the greatness in the Quran, i was just answering your question
“scientific facts+prophecies”
i did state we have prophecies. but if you just state the prophecies about what happens but not show the original script no one is gonna believe you.
and so what if the bible has prophecies. ive already said to you that maybe some verses had not been touched and may still be ok, though we dont know which one.
and about the sins part.
so to make things simple(we had been dragging this too long and you dont seem to understand my point. maybe because my mother tongue is not english)
YOU TAKE CARE OF YOUR SINS
I TAKE CARE OF MY SINS
I CANT CARRY YOUR SINS BECAUSE ITS NOT FAIR
GOD IS JUST
they say uppercase is like shouting. sorry. i only wanted to make this stand out actually.
which is why we wont accept christianity. nobody can be sacrificed to delete the sins of someone else
and to us sin remission is by taubat(i dont know the english word). and here is what i know about Islam. i may be wrong but this is what i learnt about taubat
1 we must not commit the sins again
2 only the sins of putting associates with god is not accepted
3 taubat at the point of dying is not accepted
4 and God determines if God wants to forgive it or not
what i feel funny is you keep saying about the needs of sin remission. I GET IT, WE BELIEVE SINS NEED TO BE DEALT WITH TOO(this is meant to be a shout)
the only thing is that we dont accept the way you think the sins can be forgiven
and about your
“***God is unbearable to Sin***God is unbearable to Sin**God is unbearable to Sin”
to us we believe that yes God is angry if we do sins but we believe that how much sins we commit we would not inflict anything to God’s power. likewise if we do how many good deeds it is not adding anything to God’s power.
so please dont use the word ‘unbearable’ next time if youre referring to God
“1.Why is he called Messaiah(Saviour)”
as i stated he will defeat the dajjal one day
“2.Why should he be born miraculously without any male intervention,if he is just a normal prophet for isralites(As per bible,God was manifested in flesh)”
God can do what God wants. we all will be tested by god. and what do you mean ‘flesh’ have anything to do with miraculous birth? miraculous or not, you and the christians still believe God comes down as human
“3.what is the concept of anti-christ (Dajjal).Why is he called anti-christ.why is he called anti-christ specific if he is nothing to do for whole mankind.? ”
ok now so please remind me again who said dajjal=antichrist? dont ask me? i said Dajjal is a jin that claims he is god then deceive people into believing it. which is why it does have everything to do with mankind. He states he is god then pulls people into the wrong path. yeah we should have a problem with that
huh? so youre trying to tempt me with the 50:50 chance tactic. thats low. nope im not scared. so lets see why i will never believe in christianity and will accept Islam
remember this?
– You’re not gonna shoot them, are you?
– Unless the shoot me.
Oh,,, let’s hope they shoot me.
Deuteronomy 23:2 No one born of a forbidden marriage[a] nor any of their descendants may enter the assembly of the Lord, not even in the tenth generation.
Deuteronomy 14:21 Do not eat anything you find already dead. You may give it to the foreigner residing in any of your towns, and they may eat it, or you may sell it to any other foreigner. But you are a people holy to the LORD your God
i can keep them coming if you want. i kind of forgot why i jumped in here, but i remembered. you said something to our sister. so i guess its best you leave Delphina alone.
christianity is not the right path, believe me. come into Islam
(P/S: to Delphina be strong in your faith. God will always test us
al Ankabut 2: Do people think that they will be left alone because they say: “We believe,” and will not be tested.)
i forgot to elaborate.
Deuteronomy 23:2 No one born of a forbidden marriage[a] nor any of their descendants may enter the assembly of the Lord, not even in the tenth generation.
(so much of your ‘pure’ babies. they didnt commit sins. its their parents fault. but somehow theres something wrong as if they are not fit)
Deuteronomy 14:21 Do not eat anything you find already dead. You may give it to the foreigner residing in any of your towns, and they may eat it, or you may sell it to any other foreigner. But you are a people holy to the LORD your God
(wow nice marketing strategy thats how an honest businessman should do. we muslims strive to give things that we love a lot ie good meat)
Pure,
Being a Muslim I accept Jesus and anyone who does not accept or believe in any of the God’s prophets sent to mankind can’t be Muslim. Having said that let me ask you a few simple questions:
1. You believe Jesus is the begotten son of God, right? then please explain the meaning of the word ‘begotten’ in simple terms
2. Did Jesus himself ever say that he was the begotten son of God Almighty and did he ever preach his followers to worship him as well? please quote from your Bible
Thank you
Hi Najavaid,
The questions you asked shows your innocence towards bible and doctrine of christ.
I will answer your Questions
1.Let me be very clearer .We wont believe that he is the Begotten Son of God.Very clear in this point .Fix it in your mind.We believe God is a triune being Father,Son and HolyGhost,whcich are existed from the beginning.
Jesus Said in Revelation
Rev 1:7 – I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Ho we will believe that he is the Begotten Son tell me.Also you say that in Revised Standard version they removed begotten,proving we dont believe that he is begotten.We believe Jesus existed from the beginning by his saying only.
Jesus told
John 8:58 (NIV) “I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”
Jesus christ is God the Son(Yahweh himself)who was manifested in flesh,with out any male intervention.See ask yourself why Jesus has to be called messaiah and why he has to be born miraculously,if he is only a prophet for Isralites as per the Quran?
Bible does.I Tim 3:16 God manifested in flesh.See you need to understand/investigate why Quran is diferent from all the previous scriptures.
Also you asked the meaning of begotten.Begotten means generated by procreation; “naturally begotten child”.This is also used in figurative sense.
For ex:He has begotten that great Novel,he gave birth to the machine,he gave birth to that great idea.Like wise this can be used.This way its mentioned in the bible,in other verses other than John 3:16.Anyway thank God,they removed it from RSV proving we dont believe that he is the begotten Son with Sex literally.We cant imagine that for God.
2)”Did Jesus himself ever say that he was the begotten son of God Almighty”
I will quote one verse
Jesus asks the disciples whom do you think iam.then peter replies
“You are the Messiah (alt: the Christ), the Son of the living God.” ( Matthew 16:13-20)
Then Jesus tells
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
This is just one example.there were many verses saying this.
Also logically simple proof
From the bible perspective lets analyze one point.According to bible,Jesus is crucified.
From the bible stand point,that day they claimed the crime of Jesus in front of pilate that This guy says he is the Son of God ,and says he is the King of Jews.
Also they knew jesus told that he forgives Sins,he answers prayers,and he said what all Father can do ,he can Do proving that he claimed divinity and Sonship.
The jews said in john 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Also in John 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
If Jesus claimed to be a normal Son of God,then there is no chance for them to pick up stones or sought to kill him or to crucify him.So jeusus did claimed that he is the Son of the Living God.
Hope you undesrtood what we are believing.
Pure,
Apart from the verse you quote where Jesus said “I am” (which is vague), is there any other instance where Jesus (peace be upon him)claimed to be Son of God or asked his followers to worship him in clear terms? I want a simple, to the point and straightforward answer please…. when did Jesus say that “worship me” or “I am god”.
In the history books it is mentioned that early followers of Jesus (who the Quran says were also true Muslims)never considered Jesus to be divine, and neither worshiped Jesus or Mary as gods, nor made their statues and didn’t even call themselves ‘Christians’. Historically speaking, the word ‘Christian’ was in fact a derogatory term first used by the Romans for the followers of Jesus. When the Barbarians invaded Europe in the 4th Century AD they put an end to Christianity killing all the monks and destroyed all their monasteries and ruled over Europe for the next 8-10 centuries, a period called the ‘Dark Ages’ in Europe. Jesus’ message was lost during the Dark Ages even though few monks escaped the barbarians by hiding themselves in caves and kept copying their Bible. It was centuries later when the Barbarian emperor Constantine embraced Christianity and promoted it in his empire do we see a revival of Christianity. Then it was spread to other countries in Europe through wars by sword (as recorded by european historians). But the message was now corrupted and distorted as the barbarians mixed it with their own beliefs and rituals. Even Christmas Day is not Jesus’s exact Birthday it was in fact a Barbarian festival which they celebrated as the Big Day for their chief god every year on 25th December. After they converted to Christianity they changed it to Jesus’ birthday festival and started calling it Christmas Day but their philosophy remained the same. You can go find these history facts in any history book or even look them up in the Encyclopedia Brittanica.
One more question before i leave:
Did you mean that the word ‘Begotten’ is now deleted from the Bible? So you mean it was a LIE?… oh my!!!! then it’s indeed a very BIG lie…. WHO invented it , who put it in the Bible… WHEN??? and WHY???? for HOW LONG it’s been there in the Bible? and also WHY it’s been deleted now? i want to know… please do reply
Thank You
Najavaid,
Sorry i was locked with work,and hence late reply.
OK you want where in Jesus directly said iam Son of God, worship me,and that he is God,a verse from bible.Good question.
That means you agreed that indirectly there were verses where Jesus said iam God worship me,and that he is the Son of God in the bible.So u cant fully confirm that Jesus never claimed divinity in the bible.
Before answering your question,
I am asking you a same Question.If jesus himself didn’t claim that he is the Son of God,and worship him or didnt claim that he is God,then Jesus should reject any body calling him God,or Son of God,or if anybody worship him.Jesus didn’t reject any of the three.
1.Jesus said to worship him equivalent with the Father
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***Jesus also demanded that his followers worship him as God in the same way that they worship the Father:
“Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son JUST AS they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.” John 5:22-23
Jesus does not say to honor him as a prophet, but rather to honor him just as one would honor the Father.
****Also,
“But when the chief priests and the teachers of the law saw the wonderful things he did and the children shouting in the temple area, Hosanna to the Son of David,’ they were indignant. ‘Do you hear what these children are saying?’ they asked him. ‘Yes,’ replied Jesus, ‘have you never read, “From the lips of children and infants you have ordained praise?”‘” Matthew 21:15-16
Amazingly, Jesus applies to himself Psalm 8:2 where Yahweh is seen as receiving the praise of infants and children!:
“O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! You have set your glory above the heavens. From the lips of children and infants you have ordained praise because of your enemies, to silence the foe and the avenger.” Psalm 8:1-2
Jesus is therefore claiming that to praise him is to praise Yahweh God! The only way for this quotation from Psalms to count as valid justification for Jesus not to forbid, but to confirm and encourage the praise of his own person from those children, is the assumption of his identity with Yahweh God.
***still
And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word. And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, AND WORSHIPPED HIM. Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me. Matthew 28:8-10
This is just one sample,where Jesus received worship,yet he didnt reject it.
2.Jesus Claiming Son of God
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Already i showed you in the above verses where jews tried to stone Jesus because he claimed to be Son of God.Also when peter said it,he didnt reject that.
Also below is the direct verse.
John
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father [is] in me, and I in him.
Jesus Saying I am God
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From the above conclusions,where
1.Jesus wanted to worship him
2.Said that he is the Son of God
3.He said he will Judge(only God should)
4.He said he will forgive Sins.(only God should)
2.Also he said he will answer prayers(only God should)
3.Also said that he will dwell with you along with the father(only God should)
4.Also said that what all the father can do ,he can do.(only God should)
Thats why due to the above claims,like you now how you are getting angry right a man claiming all the above,thats why they crucified him,saying he blashphemed.
Also in john 20:28,And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.
Here Jesus didnt reject him calling God.
From all the above,Jesus did claimed divinity
For next questions,next slide contd..
Pure,
Thanks for taking the time to reply. But all your above arguments are mere conclusions or inferences … all i want to know is when did Jesus directly say: “I am god”, or “worship me”?…neither assumptions nor conjecture!just a simple statement please…
Moreover, i heard there are round about a hundred or more different versions of Bible. Which one are you quoting from?
Your reply to my earlier question: “Did Jesus himself ever say that he was the begotten son of God Almighty and did he ever preach his followers to worship him as well?” led to another question: “Did you mean that the word ‘Begotten’ is now deleted from the Bible? So you mean it was a LIE?… oh my!!!! then it’s indeed a very BIG lie…. WHO invented it , WHO put it in the Bible… WHEN??? and WHY???? for HOW LONG it’s been there in the Bible? and also WHY it’s been deleted now?…”
Could you please try answer this one for me i shall be highly obliged
Thank You
Najavaid,
You are saying that we are following mithras faith and all.
I don’t want to elaborate on this as this is not important,because Jesus birth is mentioned in both the faiths.We have historyh where dec 25 is not derived from mithras.i dont want to waste time on useless topics.Come to straight points.
If u say mithras,shall i call your origin as Hubal Moon god etc..because you were not sent any messanger before muhammad and if we observe tha arabs in history,they were worshipping Moon as God and also so many Gods there?
Also we find satanic verse in the Quran
Have ye thought upon al-Lat and al-Uzza
And Manat, the third, the other? (53:19,20)
We were called christians right from first century.
Acts 11:26
And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called CHRISTIANS first in Antioch.
We believe what holy spirit has taught us.
See regarding the Word begotten,at king james time,for the word Monogenes,they translated as Begotten Son of God.As per the concordance that can be also translated that way.later NIV,RSV etc..they translated as the one and only Son.
Here its not a lie because even if the word begotten existed,we doesnt take it literally.But we believe he is the only Son of God.One and only.This was maintained in all the translations.No problem for us.Unnecessarily you are making issue about it.
See najavaid i want to tell you something..
Quran is a revelation sent by Satan ,only to deceive all and deviate from the Gospel of Christ(Salvation).Iam not telling this with any angry.just what i analyzed.this is clearer.
All the 66 books of the bible contradicts the Quran.No complete book agrees the doctrine of Quran.So do u now agree that all the previous scriptures sent by allah are corrupted?
Allah said in Quran,that we sent the Quran and we will guard it.Like wise he said he sent Torah,injil and Zabur.That means lets say atleast this three books are uncorrupted.Bearing this in mind if yu read this three books,it totally contradicts Quran..
Only Satan can say God’s word is corrupted.God cannot..
Thanks,
Pure
Najavaid,
Regarding worship me and Son of god,i have shown you direct verses.Study them properly.
Jesus saying iam God,i have shown you inferences,which do mean that Jesus claimed divinity.OK assume that Jesus didnt say to worship him,read the new testament,can you escape of the facts that i told?
Iam asking you why in the complete bible Jesus didn’t reject him saying Son of God,God and when worshiped him?In the complete bible of 31309 verses,show me a single verse.
IN the last book revelation Jesus himself says he is almighty.
Rev 1:7 – I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
***See in the old testament Yahweh is the first and the last.
ISAIAH 44:6-Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I [am] the first, and I [am] the last; and beside me [there is] no God.
***Different bibles is again a false claim.Because bibles were different ways of translation,into different languages.There were people who can understand simple English,who can understand Telugu etc..In order for delivering Jesus Gospel to all,different translations.NIV is simple English.KJV will be a bit tough for a layman in English.All the doctrine is Same in all the versions of the bible,which is important.
Also bible predicted 600yrs before that A person will come bringing the Gospel from n angel,and he will deny the Sonship of Jesus and he will deny that Christ manifested in flesh,and says that he is just a man.And bible tells to reject this person or spirit of antichrist,which is not of God.Gave the above clues to identify.
Exactly after 600yrs,Islam came,where muhammad brought the book from n angel(not sure that it is gabriel.no proof)and he denied sonship of christ and also denied that jesus was not manifested in flesh.This was recorded in new testament only.How can man know this except there is God’s inspiration?There are still several prophecies only pertaining to Islam in endtimes.
See i want to tell you
“So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him” (Revelation 12:9).
Rev 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Allah name in Arabic is nothing but Serpent Symbol(Mark of the Beast).Please see the Youtube
The Truth about Satan’s Religion Islam – YouTube
“www.youtube.com/watch?v=shYVRP5zuyU”
See how it deviated you iam telling.
1.it acknowledged Jesus miraculous birth
2.it acknowledged his holiness,miracles etc..
but rejected his Sonship and that he was manifested in flesh.
Three things you need to ask yourself
1.Why is he called Messaiah(Saviour)if he is just a prophet sent to isralites as per Quran.(As per bible,he is called Saviour because he put his life for the mankind for remission of Sins)
2.Why should he be born miraculously without any male intervention,if he is just a normal prophet for isralites(As per bible,God was manifested in flesh)
3.what is the concept of anti-christ (Dajjal).Why is he called anti-christ.why is he called anti-christ specific if he is nothing to do for whole mankind.?
(as per Bible ,Anti-christ is the one who would deny the Sonship of Jesus,and also the one who rejects jesus manifestation in flesh)
Thanks,
Pure
to Najavaid
haha this person seems like a real unbeliever. so brainwashed that his/her point is always like this(you can refer from many replies back)
CASE: The Quran has contradictions with the bible
HIS/HER CONCLUSION: The Quran is not true.
its like “what?????” at least this person should prove his/her bible is true first before using that thing to say our Quran is not true. Pure keeps babbling about prophecies and scientific facts where i havent seen any verse saying so yet. there may still be a verse untouched(i dont know anything…) but still i still wait for it and get nothing
“Also we find satanic verse in the Quran”
“Iam not telling this with any angry.just what i analyzed.this is clearer.”
so tell us then, most of us have a Quran and can recheck. Im not afraid.
show us your “analysis” if you are not a liar
“If jesus himself didn’t claim that he is the Son of God,and worship him or didnt claim that he is God,then Jesus should reject any body calling him God,or Son of God,or if anybody worship him.”
so here is where i rebut you idea
close enough but any logical mind can understand the meaning behind this conversation.
Luke 18:19
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
So you bible itself says that prophet Jesus is not God
im not saying that this verse is guaranteed original. but this already shows that even in the bible, prophet Jesus pbuh questions a person that says that prophet Jesus is good and furthermore adds that only God is good.
even if Pure shows a verse about prophet Jesus pbuh telling people to worship him as God, this means it contradicts with this Luke 18:19
SO hear this Pure. Bible is already corrupted
Pure, you want to say the Quran is corrupted? prove it and give a verse stating something that is not good. seems like the only thing you could find are about the things in heaven, which has nothing to do about telling people to do bad things.
if you cant do that, you claim something you dont know. seems like youre swift with words though they have no credit. so go on, prove it
PURE PLEASE ANSWER luke 18:19
ANSWER: how could God permit someone to suffer so that someone else’s sins “forgiven”?
ANSWER: show us about bad teachings if there are any in the Quran do you remember:
Deuteronomy 23:2 No one born of a forbidden marriage[a] nor any of their descendants may enter the assembly of the Lord, not even in the tenth generation.
(so much of your ‘pure’ babies. they didnt commit sins. its their parents fault. but somehow theres something wrong as if they are not fit)
yes, i did show bad teachings in the modern version of bible… you dont seem to find any from the Quran
Hi Danial wee,
Dont think that iam not giving you reply.Now najavaid was asking me questions and i was answering him.At my weekand ,there will be full time.i will answer your questions too.Those were silly questions.
You dont know even that Dajjal means anti-christ,and you are asking proof.
Now iam sking you a question i said that God allowed to have sex with slaves in Quran,to marry 4 wives ,and that adultery in Paradise etc.. i am giving verses and saying , still you are saying show me a verse where it says bad in Quran.For you may be its right to have 72 virgins is pure in paradise but our mothers didnt know this in Christianity.if they know that,they will vomit immediately.Jesus or any other messenger before didnt teach this.You dont find this in any previous revelation.
Also you are always saying me to prove etc..
Give me some 5 points, point wise,and ask me to prove,what all you feel that i didn’t prove?I will answer point wise.See dont give in bulk,first you give 5 points that what i need to prove in the above slides where i didn’t prove.let me answer first 5,then you give other 5 like that.And then you decide that if iam a liar or not.
Thanks,
Pure
Do yoy really expect poeple do believe your lies?? You dont worship the one true god. You worship your own desires, and wishfull thinking with no proof at all. You are not qualified to explain the Quran. The companions of the prophet and the proghet himself pbuh told us the explanation of every Ayah/verse/sign in the whole quran since it came down after an occurence or an event over 23 years so that we might better understand the laws and wisdome behind the guidence. Jesus did not finish his mission since his prophethood only lasted for 2 years, thats why he is coming back as we muslims also believe. To fullfill his mission as a Prophet chosen by god and similar to Adam as a srrvant of God and miracle birth. Not a semigod as some christians love to worship others beside god, they turn to their saints and the graves of the saints and statues and crosses in their supplications instead of God and in their deeds/acts worship/supplicate to other created things beside god. God does not forgive those who worship anything beside him. Really misguided.
How dare you come and lie on the Quran with no proof at all other than your own misguided satanic reasoning. You are a liar. And you know that you are, and your arguments have no true basis at all and you will truly burn for that. So dont come and make it look like you are an intellectuel with reason. Trust me you are of the lost and since you can read the quran and still not accept the truth God has set a seal on your heart and a veil in front of your eyes.. The deaf the dumb and the blind.. in reason.. Thats what you are. plzz dont try to inflict others with the disease with the illnes off your shut mind. One thing you can prove and not 5. is that you claim that jesus/isa spoke greek like i am the alfa and omega. He didnt speak greek but aramæic so thats another proof that the bibles are corrupted in one form or another if it was not for the arabs translation of the greek books you would never have known of your greek heritage and you would never have experienced the renesance since we set the fundamentals of it and further alaborated it, and you are not from the land of the prophets the arabs and muslims are. I think we are better ecuipped to analyse and understand the words of the prophets. Europe history is trying to bury the truth8 Watch when the moors ruled europe). There is a reason behind so many becooming muslims because its the truth and you can prove it, thats a miracle and a sign from god for us who truly want to follow his will and not his or her own wishfull conjecture belief with no proof or qualifacation like the christians of today. In islam you have to prove your faith. In christianity you only have faith and no proof. And the miracles of the quran are all around you. the sign for us today like the stick of moses and the healing of the sick in jesus time and the quran was sent as a miracle for all the rest generations. in our generation we master science and over 1000 verses in the quran mentions scientific truth wich we only discovered and comfirmed in the last century. the book challenges us to find mistakes in it as it challenged the arabs of that time who were experts in poetry to produce a chapter like the quran but they could not even though it was a part of the culture of the arabs to beat each other in lyrics. produce a chapter like it with all the helpers you want from men and jinn but you will never be able to. if you think you found a mistake you are probalbly wrong and lied to. This is a seal in your reasoning since its god who guides/misguides as he wished. The quran and its miracles thats a great sign for those who think, but i guess its only the truly guided who can see that and the misguided appearently are so ignorant that even when the miracle is front of them they deny it and come with false talk just to protect a lie with no truth, proof or basis at all. Jesus pbuh which muslims love more than you ever will, because we follow the truth of what he came with and not the lies, was sent for the lost sheep of israel and not the whole of mankind. Muhammad was the only prophet pbuh who was sent for the whole of mankind. The Quran is the only book wich claim that it explains everything in detail, not the bible. And at the same time the Quran is the only book wich is in the same form as the original from the beginning. There are over 300 books of the bible. the original is gone and You jaywalked all over the translation and therefore lost the meaning and satan has certanly fooled the many of you sorry to say so you cant see that the last prophet Muhammad mentioned in the original bible. because you dont have the original gospel You God rejecters. That is what you are. Lowlife silly person. You make me vomit with your trinity and saint worshipping and wood worshipping and pedofile lies of the prophets in your satanic corrupted book wich have noo proove as being the book to guide the whole of mankind and the hostory of european church( middle ages) is the proof of that. At the same time i will never take the bible and throw it on the ground because in the Quran god tells us of the books he has sent before and of the corruption that has been made in it.And that we sholud addres you the poeple of the book, so we know that some things are from god. But not all, and the lies make me sick so misguided they are. Thats why you cant take it as a guidance fully without being misguided. we can only belive in what the quran confirms. And that is fully explained in chapter mary Quranexplorer.com choose reciter mishary Rashid and en dr moshin tranlation or if you prefer audio english translation and listen and learn. because the true quran is only in arabic since its a precise language chosen and designed by Allah ( The one who is worshipped with truth) for example there are over 70 words for horse. sad horse, happy horse etc. and differnt words of love. love between mother to child, husband to wife, wife to husband man to horse etc. The word in the quran explaining the earth means and can be understood as something that is flatlike and something which has the shape of an austrage egg and from humanperspective the earth looks flatlike but in spaceperspective it is exacly like an austrage egg. this is how perecise the language are. Thats another sign wich does not contradict science. If i were you I would prostrate to god like jesus did and ask for his forgivenes and that he can open your heart and guide you. Or else your destiny will be sealed in hell by your own hands! This is a warning and not written as an insult but merely to warn you of how you are insulting the seal of the prophets and thereby rejecting all the prophets and by that God himself. Dont fool yourself. Study to find the truth and read the quran with and open heart and not merely to look for faults you can use in arguments. How many sign of you lord do you want) Chapter rahman quran.
I forgot to say that the quran as a whole even though its the best and greatest book was not send or revealed in an chronoligical order like an normal author would do. but in pieces a bit form here and a bit form there over 23 years. wich then was later compiled by the help of the angel Gabriel as the book we know today since Muhammad was known by all that he colud not read or write. Another miracle of his time. how can an illeterate produce a book wich challenges all of mankind???? Try to write a book from the middle of the book and jump back and foreward and see how it goes. This is another sign for those who reflect. The quran already existed before mankind was born. This is how great Allah is.. He knows the unseen and his knowledge is perfect and not lacking and so is his being and attributes.. The quran explaines Allahs true attributes and how we as his servants should percieve him. The quran helps us to protect ourself from the accursed satan. The knowledge quran gives man of the creators attributes is exactly the barriere or wall of protection one needs from satan and misguidence. if poeple but knew. thats why again quranexplorer.com listen to the quran with reciter mishary rashid.. listen to it.. it does not matter that you dont know arabic. you will stil feel the miracle in it if Allah wills. and with just the translation you dont sence it the same way. Read and learn and favourite Quranexplorer.com :)Listen and learn
Definition for the Dajjal in arabic is not something you can translate in english. it merely means. to make something bad look good, and the good look bad in the eyes of poeple. like an illusionist. so you can say hat the antichrist/dajjal has an phd in deception. like the great deceiver. this is the way he tricks poeple. thats why in arabic he is called the dajjal. hope it explaines.
Hi Realize,
Simple question.
See realize i want to tell you that i have no angry on muslims neither mohammad.When i investigated both the books and what it says,i came to a conclusion that Quran is not word from God and it from Satan whcich is deviating you from the salvation that God made possible thru Jesus.Even muhammad is innocent as he thought that it was Gabriel who delivered the Quran.And he did his good job in his part.I want my muslims brothers to study the bible clearly ,understand it and then decide,because Muhammad said he is the last messanger and also he said that the earlier revelations were confirmed.
OK i want to tell you that if you say bible is corrupted,then atleast i prescribe to read that books where you feel Muhammad is prophecied in bible.Ex:read deuteronomy,and Gospel of John alone.Also you say that Isaiah prophet also prophecied about muhammad.
IAm just giving you this small task.Just read these three books and se compare wih the original greek words word by word and see if its changed in the versions or not.After you do this sincerly,you will accept Jesus christ as your Saviour,and you will understand that Quran cannot be theword from the same God.
See bible declared that right from the first century i.e;50 AD on wards,there were many anti-christs and false prophets who would deviate from the godpel of Christ,his crucifixion and resurection.Why is it mentinoed several times in the bible that only after Jesus left,these statements were made?Investigate in this one issue sincerly you would come to christ.
See you are saying anti-christ right?IS there any meaning for you to believe this.
**as per Bible ,Anti-christ is the one who would deny the Sonship of Jesus,and also the one who rejects jesus manifestation in flesh,he is the spirit of anti-christ
If jesus is a just prophet for isralites,what is the concept of anti-christ specific?If Its Anti-allah,then it might be some logic.or anti-muhammad also ,then it might have some logic,as muhammad is a prophet for whole mankind.Why its anti-christ just ask yourself?IN the Quran also Jesus is superior to muhammad.why it shud be like that?
Dont say that islam is spreading to much and hence its the true path.I fact christianity is spreading more than Islam as compared to whole world.like in countries like India,srilanka,china,japan etc..more conversions to Christianity than Islam.But americans may be converting to Islam i dont know,because the people of America are Satan driven ppl.I hate their system.They were against the law of god in the Bible and they would see the anger of God Soon,already seeing.They made homosexuality legal,even in some places sex is legal.May be they may convert to Islam as they have option to marry four wives without any problem,also can wave wars who can be against allah(Jihad).Also americans might have converted as they were promised maidens ,boys in the heaven with beautiful eyes etc..So for their rubbish mindset,Islam is a way where it meets all their desires.So they might have converted.I agree with Americans if they converted to Islam.
Just answer me why its anti-christ..i would prove you that Quran is a word not from God,but just a deviation from God’s Salvation who made possible thru Jesus christ ,as prophesied in the bible and also in other religious scriptures.
If at all we shud accept him as the Last messanger and that Quran is the only word from God,then we have to assume that all the religious books on the Earth are corrupted including bible,Agreeing that Allah is a non-reliable God and weak.
Why cant i take the other way around?asking myself that there were 66 books in the bible which are compatible,and also apart from bible,even hindu scriptures ,buddist scriptures say the same what the bible says about Jesus.So my Question is
Should i reject some 100 books before Quran ,which are compatible with each other or should i pick the Odd one out i.e;Quran.Tell me what would you do in this case,if you use the probability?
Thanks,
Pure
to all
i was about to tawakal. not sure if its too early but since you all are keeping on. i guess i need to help explain some things too
to Pure:
“You dont know even that Dajjal means anti-christ”
ok pardon my lack of knowledge. i dont usually call dajjal that. i usually call dajjal as dajjal. but because dajjal will fight prophet Jesus later, then i guess the title anti-christ may be ok too
you keep saying satanic verses, so ive already explained why your point about the heavens. and about slaves, lets see Juwairiyah bt. Harith for example. her father was the head of Mustaliq family. and this family once tried to fight the muslims, lost and later prophet Muhammad pbuh married her.
and also Maria al-Qibtiyyah. she was a slave given as a present by byzantine to prophet Muhammad pbuh. prophet Muhammad married her and had kids. thats how we do it in Islam, not just take a slave and have sex.
which is why in Islam, we usually need both the Quran and Hadith. if so they contradict, the former is chosen.
e.g. the Quran tells us to pray but how to pray?
so in a hadith, prophet Muhammad pbuh tells us to pray as he prays
and dont you now say the hadith and Quran has contradictions. as i said and you agreed too, that some hadith are made up. at least we dont compile both the hadith and Quran in one book unlike how you mix everything.
“allowed 4 wives”
in case you dont know the pagans back then, they marry too many. some jews even marry more. so Islam came and put a limit so that men cannot marry more than 4. now dont you think your religion doesnt allow it
Exodus 21:10 If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or her marital rights. 11 And if he does not do these three things for her, she shall go out for nothing, without payment of money.
this verse type is not vague, its meaning is definite and doesnt seem to have other meanings. so this types lets just take as it is
“and that adultery in Paradise”
those are given by God to those who abstained from sinful acts while on earth. how many times do i need to tell you. and you keep “copy and paste” the same thing all over again. you out of ammo?
“Give me some 5 points”
1) if prophet Jesus IS god why would
:::Luke 18:19
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
that already contradicts one of the basis christianity, that you all claim prophet Jesus is God. you havent answered that yet
2) you claim that even in christianity, all babies are born pure, but you still havent explained this
:::Deuteronomy 23:2 No one born of a forbidden marriage[a] nor any of their descendants may enter the assembly of the Lord, not even in the tenth generation.
3) same as 2) im still showing you how christianity doesnt consider people to ONLY carry their sins. explain how could you say newborns are free from sin according to your religion
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
but…
Isaiah 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
if you do not rationalize answer 2 and 3, im considering you lying about newborns being free from sin in christianity
4) i want to see what else you feel you have problems with the Quran. we found a lot of problem with the current bible. so answer that 4 then tell us what you dont like about the Quran. i dont feel like giving 5. only these for now
Hi Pure. Your name is very dajjalic because your resoning is very unpure. Let me just come with some simple points. At the time of prophet Moses, God/Allah gave him a miracle so he could proof that he was sent from God. He gave him a stick as one of the signs. Otherwise anyone could claim that they were a prophet. This stick turned into a snake and ate the magicians illusions. This was not done by coincidence. It was chosen as one of the miracles and a sign of that age, because of what they knew and were experts in at that time. They were not just very good at magick, they were superexperts in magick in a way the world never reached before or since in the same way that we in our age are experts in science. Shortly magick is merely illusions. And the magicians knew that, so when they saw how the snake was real, they took that as a sign/miracle and believed. In Jesus time there where a lot of sick and disesed etc. Therefore his miracles were perfect for his time. But we dont live in that time and cant possible witnes these miracles. We live in the moderne age, the age of scince and cant use the past miracles as a sign for us today.
What has God given us as a sign For us who live today. The Quran is a book which itself claimes to be the miracle of miracles and untill know have stood the test of time with no faults and no contradiction. Its exactly the evidence we need in the modern age. not just one miracle or sign, but multiple signs/miracles to satisfy the past, present and future seekers of knowledge. In Muhammads time, An illeterate sent with a book that challenges the world to produce something similar or equel but they never could do it neither men or jinn/(satans race) neither then or since then, since the arabs only have diminished in their sofistication of the language after reaching its heights. But still they could not meet up for the challenge, Even though that the arabs never were better in poetry/lyrics etc. than that time. They were the experts of language etc and the quran came suddenly and a second after en event so he would not have time to write anything as some poeple would think or lie. Another sign for the past and those who reflect.
But we are not as good in arabic as those arabs of that day and we lived not in Moses time and Jesus/Isas time or Muhammads time peace blessings upon them all. We live today. So if the past generatins have had miracles sent as proof otherwise anybody could claim that they are a true prophet. Thats why its important to have a clear evidence. As clear as it was for the past generatins as clear it should be for the whole of mankind today. Now tell me. What miracle/proof is there other than the quran which again proofs itself by exactly challenging the whole of mankind and not having contradictions with anything we know of today. Many in the moderne age claim that we are strong in science. The quran has no contradictions while the corrupted bible just scientificly has a lot of contradiction and therefore cant be the sign for us today or the future. It has to be something that is in its same state as when it came. Allah tells us that he hs promised to protect the quran from being changed/corrupted as the earlier books have been. And it came true. Since it is a muslim tradition to pass the book by memorizing it. Thats another sign. You cant memorise the bible because poeple cant even agree om what the bible is. your own ministers of the church know this so why do you keep lying to yourself. Your lies wont help you on the day of judgement. Maybe its just your destiny to go to hell. I dont know. because to me the evidence is as clear as the blue sky. Your weak reasoning and understanding and knowledge may be the thing which will end up leading you in the hellfire. Just because yoy lack information. how sad and foolish. Rather belive in the lie.. So sad. Because you claim that you use reason. Then produce a chapter similar in strength and eloquence to the quran without copying the quran. If it was not from Allah surely a lot of mistakes and a lot of more better language had beaten it, since we all know that everybody gets beaten in the end since there always is a better one outthere. its like sheakspere he writes that the bees has a king. But the quran states its a queen. all the scientific truths combined are miracles. cant you just stop argumenting for once and use the next year on reading the quran in deepth. Cant do anymore for you if you choose to beleive the lies. as God is my witness I have warned you. and you have your faith and i have mine, and you will never belive in what I belive and i will never belive in what you belive or lie in, you have your religion and i have my conviction. Belive me i could continue explaining. I just dont have the time. If halaltube cant help you then who can??? try islamguide.com look at what scientest has to say about the Quran. or on halaltube khalid yasin. lecture purpose of life. and ofcourse do read the quran just for the sake of reading. because if you read it to find faults only you will because of your lack of understanding/information end up misleading yourself ie your own soul. At least research it thurerly before your death.
assalamualaikum. haha i agree about
“Shortly magick is merely illusions. And the magicians knew that, so when they saw how the snake was real, they took that as a sign/miracle and believed”
yeah, forgot about that. so if i were to answer Pure’s
“Do you think iam a fool…”
id be more inclined to vote yes to that part(but not the “…like you” part)
reminds me how architects CAN appreciate buildings as artists appreciate art. they know their stuff well until they know how to evaluate things.
Pure doesnt know sciences in my opinion, thats why. just a test, Pure: water goes into fridge, ice comes out, explain that. you may need to know a little thermodynamics and a little chemistry about movement of particles, and a little bit of hydrogen bonding
elaborating more on that matter, how many scientists(atheists) accepted christianity after reading the bible(the version nowadays)?
speaking of science and bible? id just say one name. Galileo.
fyi, Galileo was punished by the church for saying the earth goes around the sun
and Pure, im still waiting for you to prove your so called scientific facts from the bible
no wonder many scientists prefer atheism instead of christianity.
and how many scientists accepted Islam after reading a Quran?
Tejatat Tejasen(dean of pharmacology faculty, university of chiang mai)
an Nisa 56
Prof. Jackues Yves Costeau(oceanografer)
al-Furqan 53
Professor Alfred Kröner (Professor of Geology, Johannes Gutenberg University of Mainz, Germany), no idea if he accepted Islam, but he agreed this verse is correct
al Anbiya 30
Profesor Keith L Moore (University Toronto, department of surgery)
various verses
you see Pure, we dont need to shove multiple verses to these professionals so that they agree the Quran says the truth. just one and they see the accuracy because they know their stuff
(prof Keith L Moore helped explained many verses later which is why i said “various verses”)
now dont you think these scientists are fools. they dont get popular for nothing.
to Realize
“every thing God asks for blood shed for remittance if Sins.IT totally contrsdicts Quran”
dont pay too much attention to this person. i proved him/her wrong and he/she didnt tell me again about the totally contradictory part. but still he/she uses the “totally contradictory” phrase on you.
conclusion he/she/whatever is not even learning, Pure seems to just be a regular christian trying to convert people
to realize(coded message): innama tunziru mani’ttaba azzikra wa khasyi arrahmana bilghaib…
this command was originally for our prophet but i think we can learn from his ways.
to pure: dont put too much hope of converting muslims
256. There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower
our defenses are not thin, pure.
and please dont forget about
Luke 18:19
& Ezekiel 18:20 and Isaiah 14:21
not related to religion, theres too much tension here already so, just for fun, one of my favorite songs, its a korean song. find the song, its a good one, title: Imagine
wi do a rae do eopt go da gat eun ha neur a rae
kkum sog e paradise (neo wa na wi paradise)
yok sim do ilh eur geot do eopt neun gat eun se sang
kkum ui paradise ba ro yeo gi e (para-paradise)
Hi Realize,
Simple Question..
Allah said in Quran that “We sent Quran and we have gaurded it”.
He also said that he sent IniJil which is just before Muhammad just 600yrs back.
Iam asking a Question to you.
Where is the Injil?Didn’t he guarded it?just before 600 yrs ,it came right?cant he preserve it?Also Jesus didnt say anything like that,that Allah gave Injil so on..If muhmad is the Messanger of God and Jesus also is the Messanger of the same God,then defntly we might have the copy of Injil too.Also did you read Torah,every thing God asks for blood shed for remittance if Sins.IT totally contrsdicts Quran.You mean allah guarded only Quran? and he didnt guard any other book earlier?is this good for your heart to accept this?
Yahweh gave bible of 66 books and he Guarded it ,Allah sent Quran and he guarded it alone.
You see There were no mismatching of the doctrine in any of the 66 books sent by God all are compatible,which are written at differet times and different prophets,yet maintained complete harmony from the first sentence to the last.
I mean all the prophets prophecied about Jesus and in New testament Jesus Quoted everything from the Old testament at his time and the fullfillment of those ones.Our God is relaible very much than Allah.All the furure events he foretold before it self ,by sending his prophets and fullfilled it in New testament.
How dare you say that Bible(Word of God) is corrupted?Yes Satan wants you to believe that Bible is corrupted.
Jesus said false prophets would arise who do wonders and miracles and Signs,who would decieve all even the elect.
Quran miracle of miracles.Who did it?
Quran is a book of signs.Who did it?
So many prophets before Jesus came but in any of the cases,we are not warned about this.BUt only after Jesus crucifixion/resurection,we are warned.Also bible mentions that right from the first century anti-christs were there who would deviate from the Gospel of christ.
(as per Bible ,Anti-christ is the one who would deny the Sonship of Jesus,and also the one who rejects jesus manifestation in flesh)>This is what our God did he guarded all the books of the bible from the beginning till now,and also he foretold all the future events so that we could believe the prophets clearly.This is our God,who is trustworthy and relaible not like allah,who came in the name of Yahweh and accepted that except Quran all the previous books are corrupted.
also all 66 books tell the will of the God that without sacrifice the sins cant be removed.
Your satan came in the name of Yahweh(claiming he is god),and made you to beleive that all the previous scriptures were corrupted and also it gave to another bumper offer.i.e;no need for Sacrifice for the remission of sins.if you see in all the religions of the world,incluing bible believe this and Say that for remission of Sins,Blood needs to be shed and that God will come down to become a sacrifice.
So it fooled you gave an bumper offer that no need for Sacrifice for the remission of sins so that immediately after you die,it directly wants you to go to hell.
***Yahweh of the bible,in the whole 66 books asks for blood shedding of holy ones for the remission of Sin.This is not a fabricated idea from any.
***Also in Vedas,upanishads,it was said the same.God would become a sacrifice mankind.
****Also buddha said the same.God would become a sacrifice for mankind.
So open your eyes,you are already deceived as prophecied in the bible.
Also famous historians also mentioned in their books that this was happened.
NOw as per your view even the historians also corrupted right?
everything is corrupted ,except Quran.Does this sound good to your heart and is Allah a relaible God now,for he preserved nothing?
If we want to accept the Quran,then we need to accept that all the books,which are religions in the face of the earth ,are corrupted.Do you think iam a fool like you.
Thanks,
The other books, the torah and the injeel was sent for the poeple of israel ie the jews of the past. when the poeple of israel forgot the meanings of the torah and did not uphold the laws as they were ment to and especielly by the priests in the tempel, God sent Jesus to them with the injeel to make them go back to the true path and not sent or ment for the whole of mankind. These books were only ment for a specific period and not explained in detail for the whole since their destiny was not for everyone but only for the lost poeple of Israel and that guidance was not ment for eternity but only for a while untill the last and the seal of the prophets would come with the details of Allahs laws for the whole of mankind, when the ime was right. Further more the jews themselfes did not memorise the torah and did not write down the old meanings of every word at the time ie the definitions of every word at the time the books were revealed. Thats why the words became lost in their hearts and acts in time. The muslims was the first to do that only to prevent the muslims from doing the same mistakes as the earlier poeple of the book, who in time deviated so much from the religion that the whole religion was reduced to conjecture beleif. Ie you worship your priests, since you obey what they think and not what they know. Instaed of obeying and therfore worshipping the one true god, you guess and conjecture as the pillar of the religion is a lost religion as Allah tells us in the quran. At the same time, since the quran was ment for the whole of mankind and the world, Allah has guarded it for that purpose yes and inspired muslims to guard it. The muslims have guarded the language of that time, with the inspiration and the help of God, since words and meanings and understandings change with time. We know everything of the prophets and the companions lifes in detail and written everything down. The quran, hadith and the seerah/ Muhammads life in detail and the companions. And we have since then always had untill today poeple to memorise the whole of the quran and therefore protected it from being corrupted, even though some jews in history even tried to change the quran but could not because of the muslims knowing the quran word for word. And even if you change it. You destroy the flow and miracle of the reading so much that its not possible not to be detected by an arab. All these miracles and signs and acts were inspired by God and he has warned us of the mistakes of the past that we should not repeat the same mistakes as them. Allah explaines well in chapter 2, surah al baqarah, chapter of the cow, how the jews trough time always deviated from the straight path and even killed their prophets unjustly and thats not even Jesus that is ment but previous prophets. So we muslims learn from their mistakes and took correct steps not to repeat. How can you be so blind really?? All that i have written and you stil think that jesus is literally the Son of God. Its not befitting for a God to have a son. The meaning of the saying father or son is not literal but merely in the form of respect. like we say we does not mean plural always or him does not mean that he is a male. all the prophets are the sons of god and all true worshippers of god are the sons of god. This is the true interpertation, but some christians doctrins and understanding have been infiltrated by satan himself and he is playing with your hearts and minds to keep you trapped and away from worshipping only one in your hearts and acts so you can join him in hell. Look at the beliefs and acts and traditions. The chritisan religion today is not pure and has nothing to do with the prophets of God or Jesus except for a few words which are drowned in a sea of wrongly and misgided interpertations. Sad but true. But as I have said earlier you are to blind to see that the miracle of Jesus in his birth is like of the miracle of Adam. Nothing is impossible for God, and not the least hard for him. That is the will of the creator. My only hope for your soul is that God eventuelly would open and guide your heart away from worshipping others beside god since nothing and noone can compare with Allah. Jesus is not a leteral son. to beget is something God created for his created beings. How can you compare the created with god and say that god beget. Allah is the one and only, the all independent and free of all mistakes and does not lack anything in his being or attributes. he begets not and is not begotten. no beginning and no end, first and the last, the ternel and nothing can be compared to him. all who seek gods will and not their own are ( muslim) ie sons in that sence only and not literal. Quranexplorer.com chapter 2 The Qow explaines
Hi Danial,
Iam answering your questions.please understand them properly.
1.) if prophet Jesus IS god why would
:::Luke 18:19
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
Answer:Here in the whole bible if we see,Jesus is the only holy being on Earth ,who is pure and Sinless,after adam,and he didnt pray to God anytime for the forgiveness of Sin.
Also as per the Quran,Jesus is the only holy being afte Adam.
Here Jesus is actually claiming divinity saying that you are calling me Good.Who can be Good except God.If you say iam Good then iam God.actually indirectly Jesus wants to know him that only God is Good and Pure.Here he claimed divinity indirectly.Why indirectly he is claiming is everything Jesus spoke to them,he spoke them thru parables so that they understand clearly.
Hope you understood this.
Matthew 13:34
All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a PARABLE spake he not unto them:
2 and 3 rd) you claim that even in christianity, all babies are born pure, but you still havent explained this
:::Deuteronomy 23:2 No one born of a forbidden marriage[a] nor any of their descendants may enter the assembly of the Lord, not even in the tenth generation.
You quoted Deuteronomy 23:2.When God brought/saved isralites from egypt ,when he set them free,he said so many commands for them to follow.Even then they didnt listen him and commited Sins like even they did idol worship where in Kaba the people worship the black Stone.So God told or warned them seriously that if u commit unbearable sin,then your genrations also would suffer.But the Sins were not carried out .only the curse carries,that too not fully ,because if they change their mind and obey God,he has authority to take away the curse.
Example:in Numbers 14 chapter 29 to 30
29 Your carcases shall fall in this wilderness; and all that were numbered of you, according to your whole number, from twenty years old and upward, which have murmured against me,
30 Doubtless ye shall not come into the land, [concerning] which I sware to make you dwell therein, save Caleb the son of Jephunneh, and Joshua the son of Nun.
31 But your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, them will I bring in, and they shall know the land which ye have despised.
32 But [as for] you, your carcases, they shall fall in this wilderness.
Here God destroyed the fathers but not their children.Here God is not injust he acts dynamically according to their deeds.
****I have already clarified you regarding whether Small born babies born with Sin or not.
Mark 10:14
But when Jesus saw [it], he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for OF such is the KINGDOM OF God.
Mark 10:15
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the KINGDOM OF GOD as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
What did you understand from the above verses?Anybody who has brain will understand the above verses.I dont want to elobarate on this.
But want to answer you that,according to the bible,the Sins were not shared by the new born infants but the bad that is done their forefathers,they may share the fruits of it.BUt not Sins.If father does good,God will bless the next generation.if your father does lots of Sins,then you will see its fruit .like wise me too same.
Ex:Adam and Eve Sinned.till this generation we are baring the fruit of it.We became mortal because of one lady.Also as God curses women,even till date its like a new birth for a woman when ever she deliveres a child.
Also God,when brings earth Quakes,Tsunamis,even there might be Good pepole who will die,but that doesnt make God unfair.While he judges,as per their deeds he will give rewward(Of course not maidens,virgins for Us.its reserved for you in your heaven by Allah)
***So make a note of it.As per Bible,infants are born Sinless.They are pure.But the Because of the Sins of the fathers,we may face trouble in the next generation that is what everybody believes.Hope you got the answer correctly
thats what ezekeil 18:20 says.read that chapter corretly and fully.
See i cant digest
1.having sex with slaves which Allah agreed and made it lawful to all.
2.Adulery in Paradise,we cant digest.We cannot Imagine that Yahweh spoke that way.
3.Marrying 4,we cant digest it too.IN the old testament kings married more women.Not prophets and that too its not the God’s intent.
Deuteronomy 17:17
Neither shall he MULTIPLY WIVES to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly MULTIPLY to himself silver and gold.
Where as in the New testament which is now the law we need to follow,Jesus condemns Polygmay.you find not a sinle verse where jesus says yu can marry more.
Just imagine if your father is sleeping with another lady beside your room.Hard to imagine.
Even Zakir naik has only one wife.There were so many women unmaried in the world.If zakir thought that to help another girl and please allah by marrying her,he can do ,as i think he is capable of satisfying upto four.he got good money.So logically its not possible.
4.And even your Quran is not a complete version..For following shariah law,Quran is not the only Source to follow.,Its incomplete.in coherence.You need to dig into corrupted haddits(Some sects of muslims say)for that.
Finally i want to say you misinterpreted the bible in a Wrong way.
Study atleast the books where yu feel muhammad is mentioed and u would come to christ.
Thanks,
“Study atleast the books where yu feel muhammad is mentioed and u would come to christ”
dream on, he is a prophet, nothing more
“If you say iam Good then iam God.actually indirectly”
give it to an atheist to think which is most probable.
“Anybody who has brain will understand the above verses”
scientists have brains, and they prefer the Quran.
most of those growing up with christianity become atheists as a sign of protest
why would a country make laws for civilian firearm possession if the country itself makes it illegal for civilians to posess firearms?
do you have brains?
likewise, why would a law for polygamy be in the bible if (as you claim) that the bible says you christians cannot have polygamy. and that already shows how the corrupted version of bible works
(my guess, the bible scholars got a little dizzy when they were writing the bible, well humans arent perfect)
“Even Zakir naik has only one wife”
alhamdulillah. you got a few percent at least. FYI, 4 is a limit, not a rule
“And even your Quran is not a complete version”
haha. it was told to us to use both the Quran and Hadith by prophet Muhammad pbuh himself
something about his last speech before he dies.
“I leave behind me two things, the QURAN and my example, the SUNNAH and if you follow these you will never go astray”
and FYI again. the syariah needs not be brainstormed. they are like finding interrelated verses and hadith to reach a conclusion, from what i know. i took islamic education at college, but still i may make errors
example: in the Quran, its forbidden to buy/sell things.
O you who believe (Muslims)! When the call is proclaimed for the Salat (prayer) on the day of Friday (Jumu’ah prayer), come to the remembrance of Allah [Jumu’ah religious talk (Khutbah) and Salat (prayer)] and leave off business (and every other thing), that is better for you if you did but know!
and the syariah comes to conclusion that even other transactions are forbidden
also in my country, smoking is decided to be haram.
195. And spend in the Cause of Allah and do not throw yourselves into destruction, and do good. Truly, Allah loves Al-Muhsinun (the good-doers).
we dont need to stretch anything. smoking is bad for health, and the Quran here forbids to destroy ourselves. conclusion, smoking is haram
what you mean incomplete?
are you hoping for God to reveal the time where it is the end? its not fair for humans to know.
do you hope for God to make everything dead obvious like the distance of the earth from the sun, so that we human dont lift a finger? that lazy
bye, its late here and i have class tomorrow. and tomorrow i have silat practice so i go to to learn it straight after college without even coming to my apartment. silat practice until 11.30 pm. id then go home, bathe and sleep. oyasuminasai
Hi Danial,
““If you say iam Good then iam God.actually indirectly”
give it to an atheist to think which is most probable.”
Before his crucifixion,he said everybody in parables so that he could open their minds.
If any man born, comes and says that he is God,nobody believes.Even the Jews didnt accept him as a prophet initially.Then later on ,while Jesus did miracles,they said that he is the prophet who was expected to come,later on when Jesus walked on the water,desciples said that you are truly Son of God and worshipped him,After jesus was resurrected,only then the thomas confessed that Jesus is God
John 20:28,29 verses
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.
***This iam copying from one famous islamic site.Also there were several saying this.
http://www.quran-islam.org
In the first hadith it is reported that the prophet said to his people shortly before his death:
“I have left you the Quran and my sunna”
Yet in another hadith the prophet commands his people quite the opposite:
“Do not write down anything of me except the Quran. Whoever writes other than that should delete it” (Ahmed, Vol. 1, page 171…..also Sahih Moslim )
***Every where i see,all the muslims sites say that hadits contradict Quran and also hadits are corrupted?
***Ohh ok now i got it ,as you are following the haddits ,your minds got corrupted and hence you say that bible is corrupted.Now the Questions is is Quran correct or haddits correct?
Which book will quickly lead us to Hell?any research you did in this Area?Whcich book (Quran or haddits)will take us to hell fastly?
Also you say scientists convert to islam.If this is not happening,then the Bible will be wrong in predicting this.
“Will deceive and deviate even the elect”
Also as per book of Revelation islam still spreads more.
scientists converting to Islam, doesnt make Islam is the true religion.
Increasing Sin in the World does not make Devil is the true God.
**I showed you with verse that Polygamy is not the will of God even in the Old testament.
People still did it in old testament times and hence God sent the new revelation totally condeming it.In new testament,we should not marry even two.We need to follow the New testament.
Finally you are following corrupted haddits what i understood and hence your mind became corrupted.Please stop reading haddits immediately .i prescribe this medicine to you,so that you will look at other scriptures rightly.
There is a proverb saying that” For a person having green jaundice,appears that all the world is green.”
So for you,as your haddits are corrupted,it seems like all the books on the earth are corrupted.Because there is not a Single book on earth which completely agrees Quran.
Danaial see dont cheat Yourself by just giving some answer so that you could win.please answer your self properly,or please write what you believe.Dont type blindly something to convince me.
Thanks,
Hi Danial,
““If you say iam Good then iam God.actually indirectly”
give it to an atheist to think which is most probable.”
Before his crucifixion,he said everybody in parables so that he could open their minds.
If any man born, comes and says that he is God,nobody believes.Even the Jews didnt accept him as a prophet initially.Then
later on ,while Jesus did miracles,they said that he is the prophet who was expected to come,later on when Jesus walked on
the water,desciples said that you are truly Son of God and worshipped him,After jesus was resurrected,only then the thomas
confessed that Jesus is God
John 20:28,29 verses
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and
[yet] have believed.
***This iam copying from one famous islamic site.Also there were several saying this.
“quran-islam.org”
In the first hadith it is reported that the prophet said to his people shortly before his death:
“I have left you the Quran and my sunna”
Yet in another hadith the prophet commands his people quite the opposite:
“Do not write down anything of me except the Quran. Whoever writes other than that should delete it” (Ahmed, Vol. 1, page
171…..also Sahih Moslim )
***Every where i see,all the muslims sites say that hadits contradict Quran and also hadits are corrupted?
***Ohh ok now i got it ,as you are following the haddits ,your minds got corrupted and hence you say that bible is
corrupted.Now the Questions is is Quran correct or haddits correct?
Which book will quickly lead us to Hell?any research you did in this Area?Whcich book (Quran or haddits)will take us to
hell fastly?
Also you say scientists convert to islam.If this is not happening,then the Bible will be wrong in predicting this.
“Will deceive and deviate even the elect”
Also as per book of Revelation islam still spreads more.
scientists converting to Islam, doesnt make Islam is the true religion.
Increasing Sin in the World does not make Devil is the true God.
**I showed you with verse that Polygamy is not the will of God even in the Old testament.
People still did it in old testament times and hence God sent the new revelation totally condeming it.In new testament,we
should not marry even two.We need to follow the New testament.
Finally you are following corrupted haddits what i understood and hence your mind became corrupted.Please stop reading
haddits immediately .i prescribe this medicine to you,so that you will look at other scriptures rightly.
There is a proverb saying that” For a person having green jaundice,appears that all the world is green.”
So for you,as your haddits are corrupted,it seems like all the books on the earth are corrupted.Because there is not a
Single book on earth which completely agrees Quran.
Danaial see dont cheat Yourself by just giving some answer so that you could win.please answer your self properly,or please
write what you believe.Dont type blindly something to convince me.
Thanks,
First of all pure, you are not qualified to understand the quran or the sunna or the hadith. We have scholars for that, and you are not a scholar. You think that you can read a hadith and outsmart the entire scholars of knowledge in islam. Since they use their entire lifes to understand the background behind every hadith. You cant campare your understanding of the hadith, without knowing the background, like the scholars. In islam we call this tafseer to be qualified to decode the meanings and understandings in a correct way. The tafseer is alredy there. You cant just by reading with your lack of information connect and make tafseer? Thats stupid if you think you can. Thats why you have to refer these questions to a scholar everytime you cant make sence of something. So a scholar can explain the background behind every hadith.
The Prophet pbuh told the companions not not to write everything down while he still was alive since the laws were not fully recieved in the beginning. You have to study the seerah to understand the reasons why. Since the Book of Allah did not come down at once, or the laws of everything at once, but in steps explained to the prophet and changed according to the different situations they were in. Ie in the begginning it did not make sence to write it down, since even the prophet did not know everything yet and a fact is that one day the status was another then the last days like for example in the beggining the laws of parayer had not come down yet and even after the laws of paryer came down the direction of prayer were first jerusalem, but later changed to mekka. so why write down what is not fully recieved as the final message and understanding. Everyone knew that he would not die before the final message was recieved, and the quranrecived in the mecca period were different form those who were recieved in medina ie after migration/hijra to medina and beginnig of the islamisc state and the ruling by the law of God/allah.
23 years it took him to reach his goal, have a muslim state and have all the laws and quran revealed, in a whole since the revelatins came down in different stages of his mission. The writing of the quran they wrote it down yes, but memorised even more, but not the hadith since the final message or laws of hadith could change but not the quran.
The hadith was compiled after his death by several hadith collecters and yes not all hadith are 100% we muslims know that fully well, thats why the hadith are classified in different classes. Some are more accpetable than others. A very complex way of confirming if the hadith is true or acceptable was made according to many factors/rules of the poeple of knowledge in that time to protect the truth from the lies for the future. If a person did not hear the hadith or meet the prophet directly, the hadith would be weaker than a hadith by a person who actually met and lived with the prophet. For example Aisha his wife has thousands of hadith of him which is strong since she actualy lived with him. So not all hadith are looked at in the same way. And the hadith which did not differ from other chaines of narrations as a whole and agreed upon were alsow classified as strong since the different chaines said the same thing without nececerily meeting each other. If it was a person with low character mentioning the hadith, the hadith would mention this also, so it would be a weak hadith even though the person not nececerely would lie. This is how strict they were. If a person told a hadith and had weak memory, or did not mention the chains correct back to the prophet pbuh compared to other narrations, it would be a weak hadith. There are over 100000 thousand hadith. But the ones who are the strongest which are strong in every way, with no weakness or differences at all. Those books with the strongest hadith are called sahih bukhari and sahih muslim. Sahih meaning 100% true hadith and confirmed with no uncertenty. So the rest of the weak hadith are not like the Quran i agree since poeple can corrupt/forget it and arent perfect in that sence. but still usefull for us today.
The hadith collecters actually started to collect these hadith because of fear of the spreading of the lies of the prophet pbuh. So to rule these things out, they took account of everything praise to God, and may Allah grant them the highest place in Janna/paradise for their work. Because these hadith today help us understand many things, that we otherwise wouldnt know. So to protect us from conjecture/guessing the Quran and the hadith combined protect us from that Praise Allah :). So historicly speaking christians have nothing on muslims on that account. You cant throw a rock on a building made of rocks if you yourself live in a glass house. 🙂 To answer you if the prophet is mentioned in the earlier hinduistic books, i would refer you to the lecture by dr Zakir naik he made with the title. Similarities between hinduisme and islam and another lecture Muhammad in various religous scriptures by dr zakir naik again :). So yes he is mentioned and he is even mentioned in the gospel and the old testament. Dont fool yourself. You try to understand and analyse everything according to your world view that jesus is the begotten son. You should wipe that away from you understanding because it blocks you from understanding/recieving true monotheism. Not only by words but also by actions and way of life. This is in islam called tawheed. Making something one in our belief and actións and way of life alltogether. Like even hindus knows that there is only one creator just like the christians. but in your actions you Worship others beside God and you percieve God in such a way that you only will end up wronging your own souls on the day of judgement. If christaians are a monotheistic religion then hinduism is a monotheistic religion. but you and I know fully well that it isnt true at all. Halaltube yasir qadhi lecture tawheed al rububiyah 🙂 This lecture actually explaines it very well. And yes before going. If you are so eager to find falsehood you will always find them according to your lack of information even though it isnt true. The truth is that the Quran is perfect and explaines everything in detail. And even though you think that something does not make sence it does not mean that we muslims dont have an explanation for it. Ie your misunderstadning something is not valid enough for you on the day of judgement or in the same sence to escape hell. Since you dont get free passes like you hope. You cant say ohhhh sorry i thought.. or but it looked to me that it were wrong. The truth is that satan whispers in your mind and make the wrong fairseeming to you and you belived ie you failed the test. Whatever in your mind you think God looks like. The answer is that you are wrong since god does not compare with his created beings, so no matter what you can come up with your imagination or fantasy. Its wrong. Yes we are created in the image of God but not literal. God is The all mercifull. Ie we have mercy in our hearts and instinct. God is good. ie we have good in us. God is the all knowing, all wise. We have knowledge and the capacitity to learn. in that sence we are in Gods image. Not literal. otherwise what you imagine of God is wrong since nothing is like him. We can see, but not like God sees, We Hear, but not all hearing like God. only God is perfect 🙂 Would God really throw me to hell for saying that as all the prophets did?? Dont think soo:)
hahaha reading Realize’s post i think i can be more sure i said it right when i said i think Pure is a fool.
walk on water = god?
i played dota a long time ago. i played dota a long time ago and im godlike 😛
our prophet Muhammad pbuh didnt get killed. there were MANY plots to kill him while he was at mecca and none succeeded. during hijrah the arabs were already waiting outside his house. they all slept and our prophet just walked out easily. in the desert, he and abu bakar took refuge in a cave. spiders came and made webs at the entrance, birds nested at the entrance. the arab paid trackers but upon reaching the entrance they concluded the cave is empty. in badar it was 1000 fully armed men against 300 peasants and the 300 peasants won. in a war (again) he threw a handful of sand and the sand blinded the arabs. and many more mukjizat. i didnt really care of miracles so i dont bother knowing all of them
BUT we never worshipped our prophet
no need to “prove” the bible says that prophet Jesus is God. we simply dont believe it. youre wasting your time.
MIDDLE: Do not write down anything of me except the Quran. Whoever writes other than that should delete it
END: I have left you the Quran and my sunna
CONCLUSION: i choose the end
MIDDLE: (you said) old testament permits polygamy
END: new testament rejects it
CONCLUSION: you follow new testament
so much of you saying all your books and previous scriptures are totally “in sync”. so indirectly you are saying youre lying. come on, keep lingering here and taint chritianity more and more.(you have been warned). lets hope freethinkers come her often and they be the judge
and moreover we know there are made up hadith. but we have the balls to admit it. but its not much problem anyway. any contradictions we just take the stronger hadith. and we dont even mix hadith and Quran in one book
you christians in the other hand mix all up. thats when people find more and more contradictions in the bible.
“Which book will quickly lead us to Hell?”
a book that tells people to sell spoiled meat to people
why? you jealous christianity has no scientific facts? you keep claiming it but no proof yet from you. you scared? i hate bragging, im not bragging, im just warning you. im still at A levels but im not so bad at it. 100 for physics, 97 for chem, 86 for mathematics (i flunked math because i took statistics which im not good at). so dont think im easily deceived. who knows? if the bible writers left some intact then we can try see it
“scientists converting to Islam, doesnt make Islam is the true religion”
you know what? scientists were cornered to admit the verses probably had guidance from God. they know how backwards is arab at that time and how illeterate is prophet Muhammad pbuh. and they dont know other explainations for the accurate facts. once a geologist were sceptical about the Quran saying the romans were defeated at the lowest place on earth. he took out a topography may something(forgot what you see to find altitudes). and he was shocked. an arrow marked there, the lowest part on earth. he had nothing but agree
your bible? huh? a church punished galileo for saying the earth goes around the sun. the church also punished someone because he suggested humans see because light goes into the eyes.
you mean that bible is guidance? its not
“Please stop reading haddits immediately ”
why you afraid?
“dont cheat Yourself by just giving some answer so that you could win”
who says im “winning”? why? you feel like youre losing?
im just trying to tell you how wrong is the bible.
“Dont type blindly”
if you remember “in sync” and “a verse in old testament rejected by new testament”
youre the one who writes blindly. oh and btw looks like even we muslims have a little in common with the old testament
“Dont type blindly something to convince me”
huh? you stopped saying “totally contradict” to me but you still say it to others. you are not learning anything. you may stop saying about polygamy here but im guessing when you meet other muslims you would say that too. you seem to be just a typical missionary. Pure, strive to use your religion to be good yourself rather than focusing on trying to convert people.
we dont take obvious baits and we arent easily deceived
bye
Hi Danial,
Ohh killing and winning wars is a miracle?Wowww!!!! greeat discovery..everybody has to learn from this.So prophet muhammad is a person who killed so many?is he a prophet of peace or prophet of Sword?So i think all the Great warriors on history are prophets?
–>Jesus is only Holy human on earth.(For only God its possible)
–>Jesus is the only person,after Adam,born miraculously.(Satan here deceived you by saying that equated the similitude with Adam.Actually it was God manifested in Flesh.Why do God want a prophet only for isralites to be born miraculously?Also ask your muslim scholars,they will say,even in Quran Jesus is superior to Muhammad)
–>Jesus told to love enemies and to love one another.Never did jesus say to kill,instead.
What is this MIDDLE,END CONCLUSION?Your logic is immature
Here in deut 18:18,God said a prophet like Moses,who would bring law like him,and you say that muhammad brought new law.does this mean he is a false prophet for contradicting the old law.your statement refutes your own prophet.
MIDDLE: Do not write down anything of me except the Quran. Whoever writes other than that should delete it
–>Here he says that another book,other than Quran,you shud not follow,he told very strongly.Also your muslim scholars say that book contradict each other,and they say its corrupted.Not christians.I have seen several sites.
END: I have left you the Quran and my sunna
–>Here he again says to follow other than Quran,sunna as well.this is not a correct guiding.Previously he strongly said not to follow.Now he says to follow.is he a liar?
CONCLUSION: i choose the end
–>yes you choosed the corrupted haddits too,which were confirmed by present muslim scholars.Good keep it up.
MIDDLE: (you said) old testament permits polygamy
–>Here God said the in the future,thru jesus,i will give you new law and that you need to follow him.here he is pointing to authentic scripture to come.Here he prophecied it and fullfilled it.He didnt lie like above.
END: new testament rejects it
–>It is the law god promised and fullfilled thru jesus.here we wont agree like New testament is corrupted like u say about haddits.God gave the word,he fullfilled.He didnt contradict in his statement like i wont send New testament(middle),and in the last i will send(LAST).Here God is not a liar.
CONCLUSION: you follow new testament
–>Yes we follow the New testament which is authentic ,which God promised.he fullfilled.
**Not like your Allah who would say i sent 1024 prophets and 343 messangers and if we see,no book on earth agrees Quran completely.this is a challenge to you show me one book on earth which allah guarded earlier which he sent atleast one book,i will come to your feet and accept islam agreeing he is trustworthy..
***Our true God yahweh,sent 66 books,which are written at different times and different places yet they are fully compatible.
Here law changes,not the Doctrine.God told this in OT and fullfilled it i NT.
Ex:Jesus said that he existed before the world began,and also he said he is the Son of God.This were mentioned also in the OLD testament.Also 200+prophecies only about Jesus were prophecied and fullfilled in Jesus.this is what the compatibility.
**Jealous christianity????No Scientific facts????? 🙂 : ): )..This is Good joke.there were several scientific facts in the bible ,which were told not prior to 1400 yrs ago but 3000 yrs ago..I have a big Doc for that what i collected..If you want i will share..or else if you want me to show here only let me know..I think the similar way you have lack of knowledge on the word dajjal(anti-christ),you are saying the same here too..Also few of the scientific facts,mentioned in Quran,are already mentioned in Bible.
If you want to know let me know i will show you the verses.
How many scientific facts are there,thrice the number of prophecies were there in Bible concerning all the world nations in endtimes ,including Jesus.Why should we feel Jealous.You are in a dream..come out of it..
**There is nothing wrong in the bible,if read properly in context..
Quran is not at all in sync with the bible,because The whole bible deals with the shedding of blood for the remission of Sins.And it says there is no name except Jesus, given under heaven or Earth,where one would be saved.Thats why Jesus said
“Iam the way the truth and the Life.No body comes to father Except thru me.”
Iam not here to convert you to christianity .Iam not here to teach religion.Keep your religion as Islam only no proble,but if you doesnt accept jesus christ as your saviour and submit your life to him,you will die of your Sins.Iam preaching the way not religion.religion only stands until we live.
As Jesus commanded us to preach this Gospel to all,before he comes again.thas what iam doing this.
Thanks,
Pure
to Pure
bring one sahih(confirmed) hadith where our prophet killed someone in battle
“is he a prophet of peace or prophet of Sword”
your bible itself said “I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword”
there’s your sword, if you are finding something like that 😛
1 Samuel 15:2 This is what the LORD Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”
wow you christians really are a scary lot. for we muslims:
In narrated Hadith, Muhammad says:
1) disapproved the killing of women and children,
2) Do not mutilate (the dead) bodies, and
3) Do not kill the children and the elders.
4) do not destroy places of worship(even churches cant be desecrated)
5) do not destroy crops
and dont you give excuses of saying the “sword” is just a metaphor. how can this be a metaphor
Luke 22:36 But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one
maybe you were right that sometimes Islam and christianity do have their differences. we dont kill women and children
“Satan here deceived you by…”
prove it. its useless to use your bible verses. they dont hold authority now that there are a lot of discrepancies.
for example the contradiction. It does not ask us to turn the other cheek and at the same time to sell our clothes to buy a sword
“I have a big Doc for that what i collected..If you want i will share”
huh? go on. i already said there may be possibilities of undisturbed verses. so lets hear them out. i have been asking since many posts before.
“There is nothing wrong in the bible,if read properly in context”
yeah and about the selling of bad products and killing non combatants in a war
“you will die of your Sins”
hahahahaha. i will die when God wants me to die, not because of my sins. you think im scared of death like you? yes the feeling is still there but id like to jihad if i get the chance. ill never believe you, so we should agree to disagree. you agree?
“thas what iam doing this”
yeah yeah, excuses again. you understand right that you arent doing much here. im not in a good mood recently. Eid is in a few days but im not even looking forward to it. so maybe id keep bugging you if you linger, just like i had done since before.
Dear Pure…
Here in deut 18:18, God said a prophet like Moses, who would bring law like him. Muhammad is the only one who brought a new law just like Moses. Its referring to a prophet and since you dont believe that jesus is a prophet it cant be jesus according to what you belive, but only Muhammad. really when i write that you should watch a lecture then plzz go do it instead of typing blindly. Because the lectures I promise you have all the answers to your questions. or are you afraid??. Dr zakir naik Muhammad in various religious scriptures and similarities between hinduism and islam. and Yasir Qadhi tawheed al rububiya. khalid yasin purpose of life. and you say that muslims use sword.. look at this documentary made by bbc when the moors ruled europe and you will see that you merely are a soul who belives the lies of the antichrist about muslims and islam. search them in google video by title. research before typing blindly is something you should look in the mirror and say to yourself. You wanted answers. I gave you the answers. plzz watch them and come back after you watched them to comment because i can see that you have not seen anything according to your comments.
Pure,
You wrote:
‘Here in the whole bible if we see,Jesus is the only holy being on Earth ,who is pure and Sinless,after adam,and he didnt pray to God anytime for the forgiveness of Sin. Also as per the Quran,Jesus is the only holy being after Adam.’
and you also wrote:
‘Iam not here to convert you to christianity .Iam not here to teach religion.Keep your religion as Islam only no proble,but if you doesnt accept jesus christ as your saviour and submit your life to him,you will die of your Sins.’
But here in Quran (Al-Baqarah 135-136) Allah says:
The Jews say, “Become Jews and you will be rightly guided,” the Christians say, “Become Christians and you will have the true guidance.” Say to them, “Nay, we turn away from every other way and accept the way of Abraham, and Abraham did not associate other gods with Allah,” O Muslims, say to them, “We believe in Allah and the guidance which has been sent down to us and which was sent to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac and Jacob and his descendants and which was given by their Lord to Moses and Jesus and to all other prophets. We do not discriminate against any of them and we have completely surrendered to Allah as Muslims.”
Furthermore Quran (Al-Baqarah 139-140) says:
“O Prophet, say to them, “Do you argue with us concerning Allah, whereas He is our Lord and also your Lord? We shall be accountable to Him for our deeds and you for yours; so we have dedicated our worship to Him alone. Or do you say that Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and his children were all Jews or Christian?”.
Well my question to you is what does your bible say about Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and his children?
Please try to provide a straightforward and to the point answer this time.
Thank You
Hi Najavaid,
I can give straight forward answers to all your claims right now,but it wil prolong like that,with no use. but i want to deeply study the major world scriptures including Quran,vedas etc..where there were prophecies about Jesus and Muhammad,and if i feel he is the true prophet sent to people,then i will accept him,or else,i will find a solution to make understand that Jesus is the salvation.
You asked me that
““O Prophet, say to them, “Do you argue with us concerning Allah, whereas He is our Lord and also your Lord? We shall be accountable to Him for our deeds and you for yours; so we have dedicated our worship to Him alone. Or do you say that Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and his children were all Jews or Christian?”.
Well my question to you is what does your bible say about Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and his children? ”
You say Muslims existed from the beginning,but you every time talk that your bible says your bible says etc..,as though yours is a new religion.If you are existing from the beginning,then you should have protected the word of all the prophets.BUt you did not.
It is we who have protected the word of god from the beginning,all the major prophets,like Abraham,moses,david,solomon,zechriah,Micah etc…Now with the Quran,you are fighting with all the books which were sent Earlier by the same God as you claim.
So if you are a muslim from the beginning,then dont say your bible,if you say that,you are lying.Or else atleast where did you take the responsibility of guarding all the books given to prophets?It is we who have guarded.No muslims existed from the beginning.If it is so,then you wont use these words like your bible,my Quran etc..
This is clear proof that its a war between the 66 books of the bible which God(Yahweh sent)and book Quran that Allah sent.
Al the prophets of God prophecied about Jesus christ,with clear proofs in the bible,
Moses,David,Isaiah,zechariah,Michah,John,Paul etc..
These prophets foretold all the future events to happen.There were numerous(countless)prophecies.There is not religious book on earth,which has got prophecies foretold by god and that were happening right now.
Also scientific facts of the bible,were foretold before christ.You say that these scientific facts some were correct and some were wrong.Its not like some were wrong,but those were misunderstood.
So you believe scientific facts were correct in the bible,except a few .Please mention that few,which yo fell were incorrect,and i will do a research on them,and try to see if its wrong or not.Because it s stumblimg block.lets discuss about scientific facts alone.I have never made a critical study on them because i thought them of not as much priority,but as i feel ,from your talk,you more emphasize on them.So i want to totally focus on them from now on.
Here in India,there is a person named jayashli who challenged Ahmad deedat,in 1995,asking him that if deedat wins,he will come to his feet and become his follower,or if Jayashali wins,deedat shuld get baptized.this is the challenge that was made in 1995 ,in all the news papers at that time that was published.They only booked the flight tickets,but even then he didnt face the challenge.
This Person jayashli alone knows bible much in the entire world of christianty.So he also fortold that there was water in Moon,also he is challenging that water wil be present in other planets too based on bible,also he wrote a letter to george bush about the recision to come before it happened,also he challenged ISRO scientists.Also he went to turkish government and challenged that he will prove that Humans were first landed in tursky as per bible.
He has got such immense knowledge.He also challenged Zakir naik reg this,but they were not accepting.
He is much stronger in scientific knowledge in the bible.
So mention the few you feel were wrong,then i will ask this person and answer you if i really dont know them,if i can expain,i will.if i can’t,then i will ask this Guy who would give the answer.
And Reg Jesus sword i can answer that but lets focus on science from now on.
In the next slide,i will write a few of the scientific facts that were told in bible.
Thanks,
Pure
Pure,
lol, who is “This Person jayashli who alone knows bible much in the entire world of christianty?”… hell i never heard about him …provide me a link please!
and yet my question still remains to be answered so allow me to repeat:
“What does your bible say about Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and his children? Were they all Jews or Christians?”
A correct and to the point straightforward reply is all that’s needed… please!
Thank You
Najavaid,
Its a very simple question.I think due to my late reply you thought iam struggling to give reply.No infact i thought to read and biheart all the major verses in bible,quran,haddits and then answer you with references,so that it wont prolongue much with out use.I can answer all your questions but no use for both.
Abraham,Issac,Ishmael are not called the Jews or christians.No religion was taught in the bible from the first sentence to last sentence first let me be very clear.
Secondly only people were recognised by their geographical locations,like the people who stay in israel,they were called isralites,egyptians,amekalites,kohatites etc..
Also from the beginning,there was only one language.Do u mean they spoke arabic at that Time and were called muslims?No
Later on God made their languages to multiply..Hope you know this..
Do you think in the bible God called all as Muslims?Nops.
Now dont say that they all submitted their will to almighty God and the word for it is Muslims.Dont joke…
Then i will put religion name as “JIHAD” and those who ever strives for the purpose of God ,i will call them as Jihadists..Does it sound good?Jihad means to strive or Struggle.Will that mean who every body struggles for the God they believe are all Jihadists?No.
Now see my statement.
“No christian is a Good christian unless he becomes a Good Muslim”.Here iam not saying that one should convert to Muslim religion and should follow that and then he will become good christian.
In the meaning of word muslim,(total submittance to God)then i agree that once we totally submit to God,to the Will of god ,then we are Good christians.But we are not Muslims as a religion whcich totally contradicts the whole bible of 66 books.
Later the Pophet Judah called the Isralites as Jews and were Jews.The apostles in the first century were called christins.This is just to identify,but we are not bothered about the names.But the meaning of those and the path we follow.Here it was an identification.Not a religion.My God Yahweh didnt teach any religion like Allah please.
Mean while iam searching for the science which was told in Quran a few of the facts ,already mentioned in the bible.Later the science which was told which is not in common.I will take some time to carefully present with good proof.Until and unless,i clear this topic about Science in the bible,i dont want to change any other topic.
Thanks,
Pure
Ok. so you found a guy, now show us the verses instead of just claims. i may not be very good in my sciences yet but this is fun. but one thing i find funny. why hadnt any scientist been forced to accept that only divine revelation can be the most probable to explain the facts, like the scientists i showed
pure, you can call me a jihadist. im a student, so i guess yeah seeking knowledge is my jihad at the moment lol. but dont worry about me.
but actually im a lil distracted by the fact that you guys are arguing about language and what to name a religion. i was like “what???”
in case we forget, the real issue is which one is the true religion here. that determines what we get in the afterlife. only then we should talk about other small issues
while you do your research, i want to remind you that you shouldnt hope we would accept christianity even if you got good points
the fact that we cannot accept that someone can be “sacrificed” so that our sins are forgiven is not acceptable to us. to us its just plain injustice.
to pure
There is noone like the creator. You cant compare. nothing is like him. God is the all independent. Ie he is independent of being explained in parts or being in parts or even a form like us. That goes against the words of Abraham and all his followers because they did not explaine God into parts but merely one and only. Its the bible or the corrupted/misunderstood part of it which claim that Jesus is the begotten son of god (astagfirrullah). The bible is muslim if you read and analyse with the right eyes. Islam was the religion of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaak etc. Because their religion was of submitting to gods will. Judaism is a religion for a specific poeple. Christianity is named after those who followed Christ, even though Jesus puh only was sent for the lost sheep of israel. Islam is the religion of those who submit their will to Allah. We dont call ourselfes muhammadins. Moses and Jesus are muslim in that sence. They are muslim because in their covenant and acts they only worshipped/submitted to the one and only creator. And the religion chosen for mankind is the religion of submitting oneself to the one and only creator/islam. Jesus did not create. He is created. So the standpoint of muslims is that we are not a new religion from that of Abraham, Moses or Jesus. But the devil has let you astray since even Muhammad is mentioned in the Bible/gospel/newtestament and the Torah/oldtestament. Even in your own books you have to follow Muhammad who is that last prophet since he fits the prophecies in your own books. Just bare with me and i will get you some facts from your own books that you hopefully would study. The idea that islam is something totally alien to that of Abraham and Jesus I really dont know where you get that from.
There is a lot more points/prophecies I can come up with, but here is just a few:)
Again and again Jesus said that he was sent to the world only to give as much guidance as the people of his own time could bear. As for complete teaching which would stay forever with mankind, he said:
But the comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (John 14-26)
Only the prophet of Islam could have fulfilled this prophecy of Jesus. Muhammad was truly sent in his name because he bore testimony to his truth. The Holy Quran says:
The Messiah, son of Mary, was a messenger, “surely messengers like unto him had passed away before him” (The Holy Quran 5:76)
The Holy Quran reports that the angels told Mary:
Surely Allah gives you good news with a word from Him of whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, worthy of regard in this world and hereafter. (The Holy Quran 3:46)
The Holy Prophet testified to the truth of Jesus as a divine and honored Teacher and Prophet, and declared them mistaken and misguided who thought him accursed. The Holy Quran described his teachings as “guidance and light .”Further elaborating the same prophecy, Jesus said:
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will sent him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment. … I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. How be it when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak.. and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you. (John 16:7-14)
This prophecy clearly lays down that:
The Comforter will come after the departure of Jesus.
When the Comforter comes, he will reprove the world of sin, truth and justice.
He will guide the world into all truth.
The book revealed to him will contain no human word.
He will foretell things to come.
He will glorify Jesus and clear him of all charges.
Now when we take this prophecy point by point, it is unmistakeably proven that it applies to none else but the Holy Prophet Muhammad saws. He came after Jesus. The Comforter was supposed to reprove the followers of Jesus. Obviously, he could not be a Christian or a Jew .The prophecy must relate to one who would belong to another people but should respect Jesus and promote reverence for him. The Holy Prophet was neither Jew nor a Christian. He was an Ishmaelite. But he defended the honor of Jesus. Thus says the Quran:
[The Jews] slew him not, nor crucified him, but he was made to appear to them like one crucified, and those who differ therein are certainly in a state of doubt about it: they have no definite knowledge thereof, but only follow a conjecture; and they did not convert this: conjecture into a certainty; on the contrary, Allah exalted him to Himself (The Holy Quran 4: 158)
Here the Holy Quran specifically says that Jesus was saved from that accursed death designed for him by his enemies. However, they only suspected that they had succeeded in crucifying him. But Allah had not only saved him but admitted him to the circle of His favored ones.
Of the promise, “He will show you things to come”, we need only say that no prophet has told the world of things to come as much as has the prophet of Islam.
The prophecy said that “he shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that he shall speak”. This description can only apply to the Prophet Muhammad. The New and Old Testaments do not contain a single book in which man’s word has not been mixed with God’s. The Quran is nothing but the word of God from beginning to end. Not a word even of the Prophet is to be found in it.
When Peter appeared before the people of Jerusalem, his words were: “Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you”. John starts one of his conversations with “I, John, who am your brother”. On the same lines we read the utterances of Philip, James and others in the Bible.
About the Holy Prophet, the Quran says:
He does not speak out of his own desire. It is naught but revelation that is revealed. (The Holy Quran 53:4-5)
The prophecy had said: “He will guide you unto all truth”. Again Muhammad was the only prophet who claimed to have brought a universal and perfect law. The Holy Quran says:
Today We have perfected your religion for you and completed Our favor upon you. (The Holy Quran 5:4)
How clearly has the prophecy been fulfilled in the person of the Prophet Muhammad in all of its details. Sometimes an unsuccessful attempt is made to dim the glory of this marvelous prophecy by claiming that this Comforter was the Holy Ghost who came after Jesus to his disciples. One wonders how this claim can be harmonized with the fact that the person foretold in the verses is described with the pronoun “he,” which could not possibly refer to a spirit. Then, was not the Spirit of Truth supposed to come only after the departure of Jesus? Should it be then assumed that the Holy Ghost was not with Jesus ? Obviously no devoted Christian will accept this assumption. One can also inquire where that truth is which is not found in the New Testament but was later brought by the Holy Ghost.
Verily We have sent to you a Messenger (Muhammad), who is a witness over you, even as we sent a Messenger (Moses) to Pharaoh. (The Holy Quran 73:16)
The Lord thy God will raise unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me, unto him ye shall hearken. (Deuteronomy 18:15)
And again, God’s words to Moses:
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass that, whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. (Deuteronomy 18:18-19)
It is evident from these verses that Moses foretold a Law-giving Prophet who was to appear after him, and who was to be from among the brethren of Israel.That he was to be a Law-giver and not an ordinary Prophet is obvious from the words “like unto Moses”, since Moses was also a Law-giver. The promulgation of “a new Law” means the initiation of a new movement, a new nation. A prophet with a new Law is obviously no ordinary teacher or reformer. He has to present a comprehensive teaching, incorporating fundamental principles as well as detailed rules.
Was Jesus such a prophet? Was he a Law-giver? Did he bring a new Law into the world to replace an old one? The answer, in his own words:
Think not that I am come to destroy the Law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto You, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law, till all be fulfilled. (Matthew 5:17-18)
And the followers of Jesus went so far as to declare:
And the Law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law. (Galatians 3:12-13)
Jesus laid no claim to a new Law; his disciples regarded the Law as a curse. It was the Holy Quran which announced from the very outset that:
This is the (complete and perfect) Book, there is nothing of doubt in it. It is a guidance for the righteous. (The Holy Quran 2:3)
The prophecy also said that the Promised One was to be raised not from among Israel but from their brethren. Muhammad was from the brethren of the Israelites, the Ishmaelites.
It also told that God would put his words in his mouth. The New Testament gospels do not consist of words which God put in Jesus’s mouth. They only tell us his story and what he himself and his disciples said and did.
The Holy Quran, on the other
Verily We have sent to you a Messenger (Muhammad), who is a witness over you, even as we sent a Messenger (Moses) to Pharaoh. (The Holy Quran 73:16)
In short, one thousand nine hundred years before the advent of the prophet of Islam, Moses declared that his own Law was, in the divine scheme, not the last Law; that the world was to have a fuller Law later on; and that, for this God would send in the latter days another Messenger of His. This Messenger was to teach all truth; it was he who was to mark the last stage in the spiritual advance of man. The world had to wait for another book and another Prophet.
If, therefore, the Quran and the Holy Prophet have come after the Bible and after the Prophets Moses and Jesus, and if they claim to have come from God as guidance to man, their claim must be treated as just and true. It must be taken as the Fulfillment of ancient prophecies. The revelation of the Quran was not a gratuitous revelation, a redundance in the presence of other revelations. Indeed, if the Quran had not been revealed, promises made by God through His messengers would have gone unfulfilled, and the world would have become afflicted with doubt and disbelief.
Divine Light From Paran
The prophecies of the Bible had even led its followers to that part of the world where the great Prophet was to appear. Thus it was said:
And he said, the Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; and shined forth from Mount Paran and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them. (Deuteronomy 33:2)
In this verse Moses is promised three manifestations of the glory of God. The first of these appeared on Sinai in the time of Moses. Time passed. The second manifestation promised in the prophecy was to take place at Seir, a part of the world near where the miracles of Jesus took place. “Rising up from Seir,” therefore, meant the advent of Jesus.
The third manifestation of divine glory was to take its rise from Paran, and Paran (Arabic Faran) is the name of the hills which lie between Mecca, the birth place of Muhammad, and Medina, the town where he died. According to the Old Testament, Ishmael, the ancestor of Muhammad, lived in this part. Thus we have in the Bible:
And God was with the lad (Ishmael): and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer. And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran. (Genesis 21:20-21)
Historical and geographical evidence shows that the descendents of Abraham lived in Arabia. All of them held Mecca and Kaaba, the house of worship built by Abraham, in great reverence. His son Ishmael first settled in Mecca. Genesis gives the names of twelve sons of Ishmael including two named Tema and Kedar. (Genesis 25:13-16)
Pure i really hope that this is evidence enough for you that Islam is not a new religion as you claim. If you want i can get more prophecies from the old and new testament. but I think this is enough for now. Dont want to fill to much space in the comment area 🙂 Danial wee I hope this is new ammo for you 🙂
Hi Realize
Thanks for your clear explanation of the history and verses you gave.
Let me study them deeply and understand.If its the truth,then i will defnetly accept..if its not right ,then i will come with some more objections,because this is the first time iam dealing with muslims to understand their faith and what are the strong factors.May be they are right and may be wrong.first i will read what ever you said and then come up with my objections if any..
Thanks realize for your elobarate explanation.would sincerly study the points you gave.
Thanks,
Pure.
Hi Najavaid,
Mean while please collect all the scientific errors in the bible ,and type here itself so that i would investigate on them if its really true.PLease collect and give me all the scientific erros in the bible right here.
Thanks
Pure
Hi Pure 🙂 Scientific errors in the bible!
Hope this helps! Dr. Maurice Bucaille’s Book: ” The Bible, The Qur’an and Science ”
http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/MB_BQS/default.htm
1. Creation of the world: Genesis 1:1: The world was created in 6 days, light was created on the first day and the sun was created on the 4th day. This is scientifically incorrect.
The Quran says that God created the world in 6 periods.
2. Genesis 1:7 indicates on the first day water was created everywhere and God separated the waters with firmament into heaven and earth on Day 2. This is scientifically incorrect. At the beginning, the whole world was a gaseous mass and was then divided and cooled off (big bang hypothesis).
The Quran says the world was a gaseous mass before it was divided up.
3. Genesis 1:13 states God created vegetables on the third day and the sun was created on the 4th day.
It is not scientifically acceptable to have vegetables survive without the sun.
4. In the Jewish calendar, the year of creation is 5755. This is based on the date that Prophet Adam came to earth (Genesis 4:1) and the world was created.
This is not scientifically correct. The world was created millions of years ago as were the humans on earth.
5. The story of the flood – Genesis 6:7. The Bible indicates that the big flood 4000 years ago was universal and the whole world was destroyed except for Prophet Noah and his arc. This is not scientifically possible and historically is not correct. Other nations existed 4000 years ago and were not affected by the flood.
The Quran indicates that the flood was a local event and not a worldwide flood.
I hope you will find time to read the book in detail.
and also:
Psalm 93:1 The LORD reigneth; He is clothed with majesty. The LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith He hath girded Himself. The world also is established, that it cannot be moved
solar systems go around galaxies, planets go around their stars. there are even binary stars where two stars circle each other. even lone planets that move through space without any star is theorized to be more common than regular planets. even in a smaller scale electrons move around their nucleus with many different orbitals. some not even spherical
however, our Quran is not limited to be based on direct translations alone. for example. the word “day” in the Quran is mentioned 365 times. and to brag, even the word months is mentioned 12 times. and to think that the Quran didnt came from the beginning(al Fatihah) and end at “an-Nas”. it started with al-Alaq, goes back and forth. can a person write something this great and in this manner(back and forth). and on top of that, an illeterate. find someone who cant read/write and tell him to write a novel. a good novel at it. not easy
and the word sea mentioned 32 times and land mentioned 13 times
calculate the ratio. its like the ratio of land and sea.
32+13=45
ratio of sea= 100×32/45 = 71%
in terms of area of course. if you ask volume its a no brainer
i dont know what the Creator really wanted to say but the coincidences are not easy to push away. there goes my 2 cents. hope this info is helpful
To pure 🙂
Major ireffutable scientific errors in the Bible by Dr. Zakir Naik – 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0XmfWrn4Dc
Jewish rabbi proves that Muhamed is a prophet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN0YbC0BJ8g&feature=related
Jesus burnt by lightning (Sign from Allah)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGTBFPte-MY&feature=related
Christian accepts Islam after challenging Zakir Naik at an Islamic Conference!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S_A9ERJWN0&feature=fvwrel
Oh! Look What Muslims Did | Hard To Swallow Truth (Sign from Allah)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEsBMLwxT8I&feature=related
Huge surprise for sincere Christians: The Bible clearly says that Jesus is not God
To Pure
why i hate islam ? (Ironic)
kinda annoying that the whole video pops up instead of just the reference
Prophecy of Muhammed and the book that was giving to him;
Isaiah 29:12
Then the book is delivered to one who is illiterate, saying, "Read this, please." And he says, "I am not literate."
Allahu akbar ( God is the greatest).. while searching i found this.. it could not be more clear since this was the very first revealation to Prophet Muhammad saws.. that he when asked to recite by Gabriel answered i do not read etc… beginning of the revealations in islam.. so this should make it clear.. Islam is the final law to all mankind and believers of the prophets.. The last and the seal of the prophets Muhammad saws. And the only way for mankind 🙂
Dear pure..
This staement from the bible clearly says that corruption are evedint from the pen of the false scribes..
Jeremiah 8:8
How do ye say, we are wise, and the law of the lord is with us? look the false pen of the scribes have made it into a lie.
Whatever you think or cant digest i will see what I can do to clarify further.. But I need to know what you are opposed of first..
You could not digest that in islam the limit for marrigae for men is 4. This is the final law of God to mankind concerning marrigae limitations. let me clarify on that issue.
As we all know equelly baby boys and girls are born into the world. But because of the babygirls stronger immun system, there tend to survive more girls than boys.
Socondly because of the male being more dangoures in his nature in risktaking instincts again more men die than girls. Thirdly because of the wars etc. Society tends to have more women than men overall. So since islam is the final law Ie a universal law until judgement day, and so not to leave women without a caretaker the limit is 4 as long as one treats them equelly ( they have rights). Look at the statistics in the world. This is evident in the world today that there are a lot more women than there are men. Especially when there are wars. So the limit is 4 so not to leave women without a caretaker/giver. You cant just presume that everyone gets a husband. And to prevent man from having 1 wife only by law and 5 lovers without rights. this harmony is destructive for society. Islam gives the wifes rights so not to be used. Like a house for each ( Not same place) The limit is not for sex like antichrist wants you to think. But its practical to avoid single women in society without a man to take care of them.
like after world war two. You dont accept man to marry 2, but you accept he marry one and have 5 lovers who is women that dont have rights since there where not enough men. Its from the lord, the details for the final law are here to save us from something we cant comprehend the evil of. And the antichrist wants you to think bad of this law. The evidence for islams truth are that everytime islam is accused of something its a lie and misconception. why is it always islam poeple say.. Ohh ups but I thought something different( the dajjal, the great deciever). This lie or brainwashing the world recieves of islam is the lies of the antichrist.( media) The lies are a proof of that. Why else would one lie, like they do???
Hope it helped. And plzz do ask more questions 🙂
From realize
ok so i guess Pure has stopped talking after what brother Realize has shown
so Pure, do you agree now that Christianity is not the true religion?
not much choice, either
1) still thinking
2) no time
3) arrogance(dont want to accept the solid proof Realize had shown)
4) chickening out
5) or maybe insyaallah, Pure is now learning about the real Islam
im hoping its no 5)
Danial,
See when i started this chat with you,i dont know what is that power,but its keeping me totally busy from morning 9 to night 10,and not even giving me time to focus.I have to study what realize said and investigate ,only then i can come to a conclusion.Iam in the process.Will defntly respond to what realize says in the near future .But one thing if what realize said is truth ,i will accept ,if not ,then i will come up with some more questions..
Thanks,
Pure
Pure
haha. there you are. sorry, was just messing with you, dont take it too seriously. ok at least i know you currently have work to do. see you soon
I Actually kinda miss pure. but meanwhile..
Daniel Wee.
You wrote a coded message to me some time back. I think I know what you mean by it. But could you plzz elaborate further so I can be sure that I have understood it correctly?? Dont like to guess.
to realize(coded message): innama tunziru mani’ttaba azzikra wa khasyi arrahmana bilghaib…
this command was originally for our prophet but i think we can learn from his ways.
Hi Realize,
A small doubt i have.Just for an argument.
Lets say if bible is corrupted,then how come these statements will be there?
Jeremiah 8:8
How do ye say, we are wise, and the law of the lord is with us? look the false pen of the scribes have made it into a lie.
If at all we want to force a lie on others,then the scribes might have avoided it right?
Also
Isaiah 29:12 ,God is talking about not the true prophets right in the context if we see?
He is talking about the prophets wrong attitude and the penality he imposed on them
And what about Remission of Sins thru blood in Torah,how come its differing very much?
Bible doctrine,from first line to Last sentence maintains the below points.
1.God id Yahweh,and he ONE,with 3 distinct persons
2.Jesus is Son of God.
3.God sends Jesus for a sacrifice.
4.Jesus come again to Judge
5.Jesus manifested in flesh
How come its totally differing with Quran iam not understanding if its from the same God?
Quran says
1.God is ONE only
2.Jesus is not the Son of God
3.No need for sacrifice for Sins
4.Jesus comes but not t judge
5.Jesus is just a man,he didnt exist before.
How come there is lot of difference?
Why Muhammad cant be the false prophet,who did wonders and miracles and signs who possibly even deceive the elect?why not?
Because it has scientific miracles,but no prophecies.its weak in prophecies.
But the bible is full of prohecies and fullfilment.
Why cant Satan knows the scientific facts?But only God knows the future right?
Just a doubt i have.Iam not having time to answer the scientific erros in bible,but we have answers to all of them.Surely i would answer them in the near future.
See my fear is that even Hindus ,believe that God became sacrifice and remission of Sins is required.And in Puranas we have jesus claiming as Son of God(ISHA PUTRA )
Also in vedas,upanishads,its mentioned that God becomes sacrifice for Sins?
How come all these support Jesus crucifixion/Resurrection?
Why can Muhammad be a false prophet who deviated from the Gospel of christ and the salvation he gave to the mankind?Because in the newestament we are warned that many anti-christs have gone out into the world from the first century,only to deviate frm the Jesus crucifixion.
can you give a better explanation please?
Hi pure 🙂
You cant assume that Jesus died for our sins, just because some men says so 300 years after his supposed death. You have to remember that before Jesus even was born this idea of someone dying for someones sins already existed with pagans etc.. There were already pagans before who had this idea belief of otheres already dying for their sins. Jesus himself says that he only was sent for the lost sheep of Israel, when he was asked to be helped by a canaan woman he turned away replying I was only sent for the lost sheep of israel. So even if we assume that he did die, it would only be for the sins of Israel and not the world as the church says. But ofcourse he did not die and not true at all since the pagans before also had similar beliefs it was only included because it was easy for pagan man to follow and therefore easy to sell to man.
Then why do we have a church like of today and how did it evolve?? You see we have to look at its motives to understand that. The byzantine empire/romans lost a lot of their power centurys after kicking the jews out of the land (since the jews rejected the messiah, The land was not for them anymore since the land are only for those who submit to the lord). And anyone who knows the romans history knows the brutal history of their enslavement tactics.
So obviosly they were used to hold a lot of power because of taxes poeple had to pay in force. but Insted of the Romans just dying out, they were so hungry to regain the power. That they adapted to already present beliefs and rumors so the evolution in enslaving poeple ended up with being to take advantage of faith and so we have the church we see in history. Christians are a product of that. Why did the pope suddenly live in the land that was used to enslave poeple? So what did they do exactly. How did they benefit from it?? The church version christianising was only a new desperate way for the romans to regain or hold the lost land with a new strategi to gain Money/taxes. So instead of gaining taxes by force, like they were used to, they used their power to comtrol the christian belief and make it spread as a means to stay in power. They saw that many believed in one God and used the storys of the pagans and integrated them with the rumors of Jesus to their benefit.( remember the church began 300 years after Jesus) So the idea that he died for your sins was because of pagans alreaady having similar ideas and in this way it was to easily gain followers. Like a salesman wants to make it easy to get a quick sale. They never met Jesus, they never understood what he came for. So its easy to say. He dies for our sins etc. They killed all other hadith and christiansversions opposed to that of the vatican version of a mangod and made this church version superior to take benefit of man who believed in god with no competition and century by century made it spread all the way to northeurope and to the world as we see it today. The illusion of the church/popepower made many voluntere in paying money to the priests and vatican just to be saved or forgiven for their sins.( this is ofcourse a lie, noone died for your sins and you cant pay your way out of sins)So Poeple tricked by the church even gave up their land to the church/vatican after their death, instead of giving it to their heirs/childreen, just to be forgiven. Very smart move of the desperate enslaving empire. Now instead of force they did it using the belief of man to their benefit just to stay in control/power. This was because that the church taught man to pay money to the church to be forgiven for their sins, sins the Pope was the only one near God on earth as they said. Every opportunity they saw, they said pay up, and the ignorant poeple believing with no proof let them selfes believe in a lie for the benefit of some greedy devils inspired men in history. The romans adapted beautifully. Why enslave obviosly, when you can use poeples beliefs against them. they used the poeple and tried to rule even though that Jesus did not come with a new law explainings the details of how to rule. inclining that he was not that final prophet. In islam you cant pay your way out as the final law is fully explained for us. Just wanted to give you a background story for the motives.
Satan and antichrist is real as we all know.. So even the egyptian mythology as the scandinavien/vikings mythology and even the hindus mythology resemble each other and they all have the symbol of the eye(antichrist/dajjal). But that does not make them true. Thats only proof of the devils/demons. That you even are comparing christianitys truth with hinduisms which is a pagan realigion who also believe in a mangod and several gods as proof for its truth is ridicoulus etc. Even in the persian mythology we have a story of another mangod already dying for mans sins. So if a man alreaduy haev died for our sins, then why do we need Jesus?? In my eyes its the story of the antichrists lies to the world and christians have let the antichrist engulf them since accepting Jesus as a savior is rejecting god and Jesus. You just wait and see when Jesus comes back what he is going to say to christians. He is going to reject you since its not Abrahamas religion. Just shows you that the devils love to worshipped by man and have been very busy. The other religions resembling each other is just proof of the devils. It does not mean that it is more correct to worship several gods.
No where in the bible did Jesus himself say worship me or I am God or I have come to die for your sins. Not a single statement. It is always someone else saying that. I know that the church version says that. But even the church had interests in keeping the masses believing in the popes connection to God, like if you are against the church you are against God etc… Satan has been really busy in misleading mankind from Adams time until know. Even In Abrahams time they worshipped statues etc. This is the trick of satan. making you worship the created beside God who created all. The churches version is the devils inspiration and not jesus`s version. You so much want to believe that he died for your sins. But lets look at the facts. Before jesus many other religions stated that manGods died for mans sins. Does it mean that its true and that jesus also died for our sins?? The Quran states that it was made look that he was crucified. We muslim believe that he did not get crucified , but a replacement volentered since even Jesus always knew what poeple was going to do after him, since God told him. Thats why he was so extreme in saying I am nothing without God. He did everything to convince the surroundings that he was nothing but a man, and the miracles are not because of him. Its due to God. And that he did not come to change the law but to fulfill. Why. Because he was not the prophet resembling to Moses coming with a new law and final law for mankind. When jesus finally is going to come back, he is going to say get away from me to christians. Because their teachings have nothing to do with him. Even the bible says that. it just depends on the eyes that analyse.
It is unfortunatly that its the common practice of the Jews and Christians not to translate even the proper names in their books correctly. If they find the name ‘Muhammad’, they translate it as ‘the praiseworthy’, lovely, or words like that. This practice has helped them in ‘hiding the truth’ from the world, as the people reading the translations can never suspect that the sentence refers to a certain person. Now, if others follow that practice, a non-english speaking person will translate the name of ‘Livingstone’ as a ‘stone, which was alive’ instead of Ahmad or Muhammad.
Muhammad is translated to be, in the words of Solomon, “altogether lovely” which in Hebrew is expressed as Mahmaddim. (Song of Solomon 5: 10-16) He was the fulfillment of the “stone” of Daniel’s dream. (Daniel 2:34-35) He was the coming of the lord of the vineyard himself as foretold by Jesus.
(B) ISAIAH
“Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth …”(42:10).
The old malady of translating the proper name has made this prophecy meaningless. In an Armenian translation, written in 1666 and published in 1733, it has been translated as: “They sing unto the Lord a new song; and his kingdom continues after him; and his name is Ahmad.” (Now the name Ahmad has been translated as meaning ‘his praise’,) In arabic Ahmad mens praised one and muhammad means the praised one ).
Anyhow, in this prophecy, a new song unto the Lord means a new shariat/law from God, which fits the Prophet of Islam; but not so much on Prophet Jesus.
(C) HABAKKUK
The vision of Nabi Habakkuk says: “God came from Teman and the Holy One from mount Paran. Selah … his ways are everlasting.” (3:3-6)
I do not think there is any need to elaborate this prophecy, which is so clear. The representative of the Lord who came from Paran was Prophet Muhammad and all other attributes can easily be fitted on him. And yes the prophet did come with many prophecies. As I said the Quran satisfies the past, present and future seekers of knowledge with signs that satisfies reason that God gave us to use so not to follow blindly, since the book itself is the miracle of miracles Alhamdulilah ( prasie God). So even when it says that Jesus did not get crucified or killed, we have to believe since not even one mistake is found in the Quran until today. And the scientest, and historians of today agree and historiens have even put him as number one of the most influencial beings in history. Who ever says that the prophet Muhammad pbuh did not come with prophecies is a liar and ignorant. Even when an enemy of the prophet was alive, the quran came down with a verse saying that abu lahb would never be a muslim.. so the prphet muhammad told him the only thing you have to do to disprove the quran is that you be a muslim.. But he never did.. And ther is many more.. There are so many prophecies and miracles that if i had 10 lifes.. i would not have time to count them.. 🙂
I really hope that this helped in answering your question.
From realize
Hi pure
Why should the false scribes avoid it. The scribes should avoid to lie i agree, but they did not,, and those who follow the lies should also avoid it,, but they do not. The prophecies are of a time where Some/christians/jews say we have the truth with us but they really dont since the false scribes have made it into a lie. Its the poeple that should avoid it and its falsse interpertations. If you really follow the truth you follow islam and not the lies of the false scribes. Saying that its not the whole book that is corrupted. Its some of it. Ie you have to put the wrong interpertations aside. The church lie and they use the prophecies of their truth.. islam haev many prophecies as will and mentiones alot that christians dont even know about.
God willing when the day comes that you are surrounded by muslims and you learn the tafseer of the quran and sayings of the prophet muhammad saws and all the true storys then there you will understand.
If your mind is a cup filled with water( knowledge/lies). So even if I give you a drop or two of islam in your cup you will not understand or make sence because is already full, but the day your mind have an entire cup of islam,, then you can compare the new cup with your old cup of water (knowledge, understandings). Then you can understand the difference and similarities.
You say:
Why Muhammad cant be the false prophet,who did wonders and miracles and signs who possibly even deceive the elect?why not?
Answer:
Is it not the christians who claim to do wonders and miracles in Jesus´s name??. Holding conferences and healing/decieving.. This is what is ment by it.. You have to remember that God told Jesus what poeple after him would do in his name. This is why he stated like he did.
And the Quran the miracle from God to man is the final universal law. If it was decieving it would not be perfect as it is and surely alot of mistakes would be found in it as you find in the bible. Only God can come up with such a piece with no flaws at the least. or are you saying that the devil came up with a perfect Quran and God is not able to deliver a book for christians that makes sence?? The poeple who says that the devil is all knowing of the future .. thats blasfemi..
Satan are not all knowing like God, Only god is the all knowing and perfect. And even if the devils tried to lie or decieve, and make changes that would fool one generation, in time the lies would be evident since lies are not universel and the truth therefore will always prevail over falsehood. For Falsehood in its nature is bound to die and not universal.
A miracle is something that man cant repeat. But christians today claim they heal in his name and call it a miracle and wonder and they repeat it over and over again/ decieving. They have to decieve to gain followers,, they have to lie to protect their faith. The reason Christians have a hard time to connect or prove their faith is because its not true. God gave you reason to reason with, can it then be true at the same time he gave you faith with no proof and hard to understand and its not universal.. Would God really give you something that mankind has a hard time to swallow blindly.. NO.. Where are the signs as the signs of Moses to pharoh, and the healing of Jesus?? for mankind?? Its the Quran my dear. Nobody among muslims are trying to do wonders and miracles in anybodys name.. the Quran holds itself up. As the stick of Moses and the healing of Jesus.. As a sign for those who reflect. As muslims we only share this knowledge.. its up to poeple to act upon this knowledge. Muslims responibility is merely to warn and not to convert. All that the warnings of the antichrist is true.. but its the christians and jews who are following the antichrist.. its you the propheci is talking about. Not the muslims.. in the torah muslimain is mentioned by name.. let me repeat.. muslimain.. this is what the earlier prophets called themselfes,, not jews or christians.. Judea is a place in palestine where the jews lived.. therefore they are called jews which is short for judea. But Abraham is a muslimain.. and we are followers of Abraham,, so we are muslim.. Why.. because the piller of our faith is to follow not our will, but the lords will. and we follow the final law, which is the law all mankind has to follow today.
To pure and Daniel 🙂
This is an excellent story about how blindly we follow things without even knowing why we do it !
A group of scientest placed 5 monkeys in a cage and in the middle, a ladder with bananas on top!
Every time a monkey went up the ladder, the scientest soaked the rest of the monkeys with cold water.
After a while, every time a monkey went up the ladder, the others beat up the one on the ladder.
After some time, no monkey dared to go up the ladder, regardless of the temptation.
Scientest then decided to substitute one of the monkeys. The first thing this new monkey decided to do, was to go up the ladder.
Immediatly the other monkeys beat him up. After several beatings the new monkey stopped climbing the ladder, even though he never knew why.
A second monkey was substituted with one of the originals, and the same thing occured. The first monkey participated in the beatings of the second. A third monkey replaced an original and the same thing took place (beatings). The fourth monkey was substituded and the beatings repeated and finally the The fifth monkey was replaced.
What was left left was a group of 5 monkeys, and even though never recieved a cold shower, continued to beat any monkey who dared to climb the ladder.
If it was possible to ask the monkeys why they beat up each other. I would bet you they would answer:
“I dont know, thats just how things are done around here”.
Does it sound familiar??
Pure and Daniel Wee.. This is a gift from me to you 🙂
Antichrist/dajjal is a reptilian shapeshifter hashems films part 1
Test to see if the reference still pops out if you write below the reference
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGXt_gr2nzE
Reference without video popping out hopefully!!
Antichrist/dajjal is a reptilian shapeshifter part 1
Very Important Message to everybody and specially for you Pure 🙂
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7eX_D8bOGE&feature=related
The Arrivals full length series, part 1 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3zX6htfygs&feature=related
The Arrivals full length series, part 2 of 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYg8SgWXhDk&feature=related
The Arrivals full length series, part 3 of 3
Another one that i liked was ”dajjal forerunners” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOmRDo0XIgM
its six parts 10 minutes each and much shorter and to the point than the others i posted
Enjoy 🙂
Daniel Wee… where are you…. we actually miss you over here
oh hi. haha my internet reached limit and is crawling like snails. i cant even load yahoo properly. oh yeah, the ‘coded’ message. i dont know arabic so i was thinking that id like to tell you that i feel that we are wasting energy and time trying to explain to pure why Islam is the real one. but i kinda changed my mind. jihad is never easy right. sorry for surrendering too early
“Iam not having time to answer the scientific erros in bible,but we have answers to all of them”
you said you have the answers but you also said you have no time. huh? then that means its not at the tip of your finger aka you dont have anything there. out of all things to do, you didnt even try to ‘defend’ your bible. come on, if its wrong, the bible as a whole must be considered wrong. a word of God cannot be wrong. which also means the few verses showed a few weeks ago is not a word of God, and that the bible is corrupted by the words of man
the dajjal part is funny btw. in the hadith its some huge man search about al jassasah. maybe you will find the original hadith. but whatever it is is not even important. whats important is following the true religion
but actually im kinda bored with hearing sin remission, sin remission….
ok Pure, even we ourselves know sins need to be dealt with. we do believe that sins and good deeds will determine our place in the afterlife. the only thing we dont agree is that how christians do it. for example:
lets imagine i bought a semiauto handgun and brought it to a shopping mall, took the gun out, kill a few policeman, then shoot a few kids.
and the usual, get caught, sent to court and got psychological evaluation. turns out i have no psychosis whatsoever. BUT, instead of hanging me, they hanged someone else instead, e.g. you
where is the fairness in that????
which is why we cannot accept your idea of someone else getting ‘sacrificed’ to remove the sins from someone else. like how you told us that priests were actually to be sacrificed. you want sin remission? fine. go do a lot of good deeds to saturate the bad you have done. thats how we do it in Islam. we believe humans have the potential to do good.
so if them all books support someone sacrificed for the rest, that shows how wrong all of them are
theres this one joke. funny but usually true. many muslims are more christian than christians themselves. the bible forbids pork. forbids alcohol. tells people to circumcise. many christians eat pork, drink alcohol and not all are circumcised
mark 16:18-17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
go drink some mercury and test if you really are a believer. if you dont, that may mean that you know ur not a true believer so you get scared. sorry if this came too harsh i only want to show you whats wrong with christianity.
just to share
al Bayyinah
1. Those who disbelieve from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and among Al-Mushrikun,were not going to leave (their disbelief) until there came to them clear evidence.
2. A Messenger (Muhammad ()) from Allah, reciting (the Qur’an) purified pages [purified from Al-Batil (falsehood, etc.)].
3. Containing correct and straight laws from Allah.
4. And the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) differed not until after there came to them clear evidence. (i.e. Prophet Muhammad () and whatever was revealed to him).
5. And they were commanded not, but that they should worship Allah, and worship none but Him Alone (abstaining from ascribing partners to Him), and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat) and give Zakat: and that is the right religion.
6. Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Qur’an and Prophet Muhammad ()) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikun will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.
7. Verily, those who believe [in the Oneness of Allah, and in His Messenger Muhammad ()) including all obligations ordered by Islam] and do righteous good deeds, they are the best of creatures.
8. Their reward with their Lord is ‘Adn (Eden) Paradise (Gardens of Eternity), underneath which rivers flow, they will abide therein forever, Allah Well-Pleased with them, and they with Him. That is for him who fears his Lord.
Hi Danial,
I can give explanation.but until and unless i prove there were no errors in the bible,and its not corrupted,then what ever i say is a mere useless..So i am doing a sincere research on this.Because this is the continuous problem with you.First iam studying are the prophecies in the Bible reg muhammad correct or not..
Thanks,
Pure
Salam Ualeikum brother Daniel…
Dajjal is actually pretty important to the true religion and to understand the world of today.. There is a reason behind all the prophets warning of his coming. Imran hosein is specialised in this topic and is also to be found on youtube and halaltube with other great topics gog and magog and the monetary system etc.. But a topic about the dajjal here is the reference.. http://www.halaltube.com/the-dajjal
Watch it when you have time inshaallah. Very informativ! and watch the other topics on halaltube with him when time permits it.. Dont know if you already know him.. but here it is anyway.
waalaikumsalam
haha yeah i understand this dajjal is dangerous. thats why i think high iman is good to have. mine is still low actually. because when he comes, at least we have the guts to say no.
Hi Danial,
Do you know that the bible good boys were the Quran bad boys.
I mean to say,Bible prophecied that false prophet(false messaiah) and anti-christ would appear and they will rule the world.Islam will spread very much.
As per Quran/Haddith
Mahdi would come,and Jesus would come.
Here in bible,
The Mahdi you say is the anti-christ in bible.And the Jesus you say is the false messaiah for us,who would spread islam by joining hands with Anti-christ(Mahdi).As per haddith ,the Jesus would come,destroy dajjal(True jesus in bible) and most of the world will accept Islam.
As per Quran/Haddith
Dajjal(True Jesus in Bible) would come and Jesus(false messaiah in bible) would destroy him
As per Bible,
Dajjal(True Jesus in bible) would come and then destroy the False messaih(true Jesus in Islam),who would spread islam by joining hands with anti-christ(Mahdi).
Here in Bible it says Jesus would come and make a war with the Satan and their angels ,the false messaiah,who deceived the whole world, and would bring judgement to the earth.
So finally you beleive that Dajjal would come and Jesus would destroy him.
We beleive Dajjal(true Jesus in bible) would come and destroy False Messaiah(true jesus in Islam).
So here it is clear that either Bible or Quran is from God,but not both.We have to wait and see.
But i want to add that.If what you beleive is right,i.e;Jesus would come and destroy the dajjal and would make all accept Islam,then there is no problem for us,because there is a chance for us to accept Islam and appear right before God.
But what is written in the bible is right,i.e;when Jesus comes ,he would destroy/make a war with false messaih,satan and his angels and would bring judgement to the Earth,then there is no chance for you.That is the end.No chance to repent.
So we have to wait and see what happens.
Thanks,
Ashok Songa
Pure
Oh my god i had never imagined that christians would be so brainwashed. The antichrist/devils has certainly been busy. To even think that a religion that asks for blind faith and no proof is the true religion astonishes me. First of All the antichrist is going to appear before Jesus/Issa comes. He has to fool the world into thinking that he is the true messiah. If then he tricks the world and specially the Jews. He wil then claim to be God. Then he tricks the christians who actually follow the sungod false messiah and not Jesus the prophet. Jesus is really named issa or esau and not jesus since Jesus is a fishgod in paganisme just so ýou know. So even issa´s name you could not get it right. This again proves the churches infiltration of the gospel and integrating it with paganisme etc to the christianity we see today. Issa is not a mangod but a prophet and does not rule except with just and this just rule is going to last forever and be without any mark on the foreheads and without the use of interest slavetactics which the west is preparing and doing and without survailance. Whereass the mark of the best who everybody is going to recieve on their right hand or on the forehead (electronicmoney introduced) is an unjust rule and one of the signs is that the beast is going to rule unjustly with the use of interest. Muslims are against interest. This is exactly what the west is doing. Trying to have a survailance/electronicmoney super state to rule the world unjustly and make it seem to be a rule thats going to last forever to fool the jews that he is the true messiah. In islam survailance is forbidden.. We are not allowed to do such things and not even in the name of security. The world is preparing to fool the world to giving their freedoms away in the name of security so in the end its to late to do anything and the arrival of the beast can succed.. The preparation of the invisible world prison is for the false messiah and it surely not the muslims who have the power to do that!!. This is not allowed in islam. The muslims are trying to free themselfes of the messiahs interest survailance world order.. You are right. In the end its to late to repent that is what islam also says.. so we will wait and see if its the religion with proof or the way of blind faith that is the truth. In islam its to late to repent at the last moment… if you are tricked its to late. Same thing as just what you said.. sorry to say!! But you follow your parents and wishful thinking and not God.. You dont use your reason. You follow satan and the hands of the false scribes. and you have no solid evidence for your truth, just claims. Whereas the Quran is the miracle of miracles and holds itself up. You cant assume that the devil made this book when it is witout contradiction. The bible says that the mountains and earth has pillars.. wo know today it aint so and contradicts science. Really What is it that you are looking for.. No matter what is shown you will not see or hear or understand.. You hold on to the brainwashed lie. Really the quran challenges the whole of mankind.. Why dont mankind just find a fault or contradiction or an scientifiv error… because the book itself gives you an oppurtunity to disprove it… Does the bible do that?? NO.. the quran does this… So why do you reject what you cant disprove??
meant that the bible says that the earth has pillars… and that the sky has oillars ie the mountains are holding the sky up.. which contradicts science as we know it.
Hi Realize,
Compare Job 26:7 ‘He suspends the Earth over nothing’
This is correct right.But why they used in other place about the pillars i dont know.I have to study a lot about science in bible.I have little kowledge about science in bible.But from now on ,i will focus on them only ,and with out answering them i dont want to leave from here,because if i do so ,iam cheating my self.If at all i cant answer all your allegations about Science in bible,then iam cheating my self.
I Ask God to reveal me the truth and his Will in my Life.
Thanks,
Pure
yeah just to make sure we all get it right. the mountains function did got told about in the Quran too
al Anbiyaa 31. And We have placed on the earth firm mountains, lest it should shake with them, and We placed therein broad highways for them to pass through, that they may be guided.
and
“Have We not made the earth as a bed and the mountains its pegs?”
(The Qur’an, 78:6-7)
(P/S: dont misunderstand ‘we’ in the verse. the actual arabic word is for royal usage and still means singular not plural)
references
http://www.evidencesofcreation.com/miracles_01_09.htm
sorry Realize, just felt that want to make sure. yes i agree that some verses in the bible do have merit(scientifically). but still, the errors we cannot just put aside. errors shows how something is wrong.
originally it was sent by Allah too right. But sadly the bible scholars wrote their own stuff. no human, no matter how holy he is should even write something and say its the word of God.
for example, christians have eg
“the gospel according to (insert name)”
thats when you find the sky having pillars and plants created before the sun
and thats why some christians become sceptics and studied their bible to compile contradictions. because it has human made verses. we humans are fools actually. imagine how scientists estimate all the science today is only about 4% of the whole universe. huh? id say we have less than that. according to hadith, i forgot, but it has something to do with the volume of sea and something
thats what ive been trying to make people understand. the bible WAS a holy book, and those who followed it REALLY were muslims. but once it was changed, those who followed it cannot be called muslims. it becomes a whole new religion.
may peace be upon you all here(maybe im in quite a good mood today, went out to buy a bike haha)
Danial Wee:
Ur right. Could not have said it better myself.
Pure
In the bible yes it may say the right thing in one place but thats only proof it is from God. And the contradictions are proof of that it is a victim of the hands of the false scribes since you really cant find a logic answer for the contradiction. The world wil abide forever,, The world will not abide forever. etc.. You have half stories.. In the Quran for example it states that truly had it been from other than God a lot of contradiction would be found in it.
We know that worshipping other than the one true God you will enter hellfire for it. All the books states that.
The jews before Jesus/Issa states that. etc.. never has a mangod in judaism been mentioned.. but all of the sudden the church made it to appear that way because it fittet them that way since this is the pagan way and the romans were pagans by nature. Tell me.. What about those previous the mangod?? Since they did not worship Jesus wil they enter hell? And what is the proof of the mangod for those after… We live in the modern age… We need more than just blind faith. Quran and logic states proof and not merely blind faith.
Would God who knows all send a half book and let it be full of contradiction if it really is the guidance for all of mankind?? NO.. Ofcourse not.. That the Quran is the miracle of miracles is proof of God and not satan as you say.. Its blasfemi.. That you think that satan has this kind of knowledge is really weird. Let me give you an example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHDVrAB7mrM
Here it mentions a roselike sky.. you will not understand before you watch the clip what is meant by it.. But only God could know this..
Sura 39 Zumar ( I will let the quran speak)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7mG4iix-TE&feature=related
Surah qamar (the moon)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0wUqhNUGgA
Nasa picture moon split
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu3FG2VaTLc&feature=related
Does the bible mention a split moon.. no
I would advise you to instead of trying to explain the truth of the whole bible in the face of contradictions.. why not take the challenge of the quran and disprove it. There is over a thousand verses in the quran mentioning scientific elements we just discovered.. surely one mistake would be found in it if it is from other than the one true God. In other words.. If you cant disprove it,, you cant reject it..
Realize,
Compared to Bible and Quran,this is what is messing up,and needs to be cleared.
Firstly about BIBLE:
1.Bible contains lot of scientific facts,which are written not 1400 yrs ago but before that,which are right,and you agree with this that the facts matching were the word of God,but the unmatched ones were not from God.Good point here.These points may be also misunderstood.Might be.SO this is holding here.I will prove all these.
2.Bible contains innumerable prophecies which i dont want to Quote now,after i clear scientific facts,then i will say them.God told that without telling the furure,thru prophets,i didn’t do anything.And so many prophecies in old testament,were quoted and fulfilled in new testament both by prophets and Jesus.(More reliable and trustworthy God)Even about Muslims nations,1/4 th of the southern part of the world,will be muslims was prophesied in old testament in Daniel book.What a wonderful bible.
Even prophecy of Islam was told thru Paul that an angel will get the message and do not accept.This is even fulfilled.Also told that the spirit if its not from God rejects that Jesus was not manifested in flesh ,and also denies his Sonship.(Ephistle of John)
You know Bible gave a criteria that if a prophet prophecies,and if does not happen then he is wrong prophet.So Paul’s prophecies,John prophesy was fulfilled thru islam.isnt it?
3.Regarding Jesus crucifixion.there was so much evidence for us more than you,that he is crucified.From the prophets of the old testament to the Famous historians.But you say all are pagans and pagan beliefs etc..
Its easy for you to say this,because you strongly belieive that the prophets bfore Muhammad,i.e 1,29,000 prophets ,their messages were not guarded and all are corrupted.You just have to beleive that all the thousansds of prophets which Allah sent earlier,their words are corrupted,so its easy for you to refute the just historians. But i dont beleive that God’s earlier messages were corrupted.
Its not sounding good to me that only the last messangers book was guareded.No God is not of this quality.I doesnt seem good to imagine God in this way.
If we were able to prove you that bible contains no scientific errors and contradiction,thats it..And i will take this responsibility of doing so.If i cant do this,or if there is no good argument supporting this,then i will accept Islam.
Thanks,
Pure
Salam sist like Jesus Peace be onto him use to said. I just wonder how you doing. Thanks all for your intervention may Allah Guide us
Pure..
How do you not know that these prophecies were not influenced by satan himself and a corruption like so much of the bible. You no longer know what is up and what is down. What about the prophecy jeremiah 8:8??? You believe in pauls and reject what dont suite you.. Come on give me a break!! Satan knew what the truth was all along, since the earlier prophets foretold his coming (Muhammad). So to complete his brainwashing and guide you astray even more he ensured this reverse prophecy/lie to fool mankind once again, since he knew the truth and wanted to prepare before it happened. That the bible is corrupted in the first place is proof of that in my eyes. Satan knows the truth and thereofore preplanned before time. And as I hear you say he succeded quite well, since you follow him every step in the way.
1) He made you embrace a way full with pagan ideas since a lot in it is similar to the pagan storys pre Jesus.
2) You worship a mangod beside the creator, and satan made the wrong fairseeming to you. In your hearts you find comfort in degrading God to an animalistic act. ( To beget is not of God but only for the creation)
3) You appearently dont have any problem with accepting a book as i guide even though you know its corrupted. So you conjecture all the way and oick and choose. Every christian understand it his own way. How do you not then know that pauls version is corrupted?? And other than prophecies, what is the proof of your claims today?? A book with 40% error dont make the rest right!! (Quran 100% no error)
4) Satan made it feel okay for you to have blind faith with no proof. Because if its merely prophecies, then I can tell you that All prophets came with prophecies and that is included the last prophet Muhammad pbuh. So which one should one accept?? The one with the book with no error or the one with errors with paul who never met Jesus?? Just so you know he never met him!! Paul satn influenced hijacked islam and made it to christianisme and then warnes of a prophet and an angel. Satan has you fooled sorry to say!! BIG TIME!
As I said. If the Quran was manmade it would have been full of contradiction as Allah says. My book the Quran gives you a way to disprove it, and at the same time says you will never be able to meet up with the challenge. Your book is a buffet take and fit it as you like. A little hope stirred up with a little blind faith and prophecies and there you have it.. Christianity!!. Half the book is proven unscientific and full of contradiction no problem the rest is okay and i leave the mistakes.. So you agree your book has mistakes. But stil Islam is prophecised by paul as you say!!! And not Moses and Jesus you say!! you follow paul and not Moses and not Jesus and Certaintly not God. look here sister. We muslism say he is prophecised. he is even mentioned by name. Why would your book mention a name end then paul warn of him?? You admit the corruption and stil you hold on to the church/roman pagan version. Unbeleiveble. No reason at all.
All the earlier messengers and books were not guarded since every once and a while God sent a prophet to guide and warn them and the laws were not needed to be fully detailed and complete since they were small in number and small societys, and not like today. So when the time for the last prophet came the laws was needed complete detail and he guarded the book since no more prophets comes after him. even Jesus is going to follow Quran when he comes sister! Wake up! And that the book is only one version is a sign sister.. Cant understand your logic. The only thing that makes sence to me is that You never worshipped or followed what God came with. You must have bad character because in my eyes God himself dont want to guide you. Thats why you keep coming up with poor excuses. As if you did not have reason. You have blind faith, thats what you have..!! Sorry that I am this harsh. but I need to be harsh so to get the point accros and thereby warning you extra than extra. On judgementday you will certaintly no excuses have. you have been warned so dont come on that day and cry out why I did not say more. You haev a brain. You rather follow the lie. Believe me not my problem, but yours alone.
Really feel sorry for you
Pure… Ups did not read your last sentence….
I will remember you in my prayers pure, I just really hope that you in the end can see the truth as clear as you can see night and day. Daniel Wee.. Do make dua for this pure, cause she certaintly needs it.
Oh Allah most mercifull, Listener of prayers. You alone we worship and you alone we ask for help.. Plzz Guid this pure the straight path, Not the path of those who will earn your anger and not of those who will go astray.. Cleans her mind. let her not forget islam even if she tries to run away from it. And make the evil whispers of hers towards islam vanish. Give her reason!! For you are truly the only one that guides in the end! So guid her!! change her state of mind and let it be a sign for her. AMIN
In your name we live, and in your name we die and to you we shall all return!
Peace
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